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Answers Jesus the Messiah What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?

What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?

It is important to begin by saying that for one who has already made up his or her mind that Jesus is not the Messiah, no amount of evidence will be convincing. But for those who are honest in asking, the evidence speaks for itself.

When sincerely asked, this question is a good one. After all, there have been false Messiahs in Jewish history. Among the most prominent were Bar Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi. Bar Kochba led a revolt against Rome in the years 132-135 C.E.

During this revolt, one of the most famous figures in Jewish history, Rabbi Akiva, proclaimed him to be "King Messiah." Unfortunately, Bar Kochba, Akiva and thousands of Jews were killed in 135 C.E. when the Romans stormed the stronghold of Betar. Shabbetai Zevi, on the other hand, was a self-proclaimed Messiah. Flourishing in 17th-century Europe, the Shabbatean movement spread among both the common people and the rabbis. But when Shabbetai Zevi was arrested in 1666 by the Sultan of Turkey, he converted to Islam rather than face death. We have been tragically wrong before, so it is not surprising that hard evidence should be sought for believing in Jesus.

The idea of a Messiah is one that is found throughout the Hebrew Bible. There, the Messiah's "I.D." is given to us. Imagine looking up a friend by first locating his country. That would not be enough information, so you would need to ascertain his city, street, and specific number on that street. It would also help if you had a phone number and knew the time at which he would be home.

Similarly, the Bible tells us the "I.D." of the Messiah. His ethnic background, place of birth, time frame of his arrival and other identifying characteristics are given. These "credentials" enable us to identify the Messiah, and to recognize imposters.

Of course it might be objected that if these "credentials" are so clear, why didn't most Jewish people believe in Jesus, and why were they so taken in by false Messiahs like Bar Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi?

To understand this, one must realize that by the time of Jesus, the Messianic hope had become greatly politicized in the minds of the people. They were seeking deliverance from the tyranny of Rome. Although the Scripture spoke both of the sufferings and of the victories of the Messiah, the victorious aspect had become uppermost in the minds of the common people because of the Roman domination. This "lopsided" view of the Messiah has stuck with Jewish people, and the politicization of the Messianic hope has continued. Thus the hope of a political rather than a spiritual Messiah contributes to both the acceptance of people such as Bar Kochba, and the rejection of Jesus in his role as a Messiah.

This is not to say that all Jewish people rejected the claims of Jesus. Far from that being the case, all the first followers of Jesus were Jews. In fact, the rabbis of that time period and afterwards were well aware of the many Messianic prophecies which Christians claimed were fulfilled in Jesus. So for instance, although the Talmudic rabbis concurred that Isaiah 53 was a prediction of the Messiah, by medieval times the pressure from those who applied this prophecy to Jesus was so great that Rashi, that greatest medieval Biblical scholar, reinterpreted the chapter and said it referred to the nation of Israel. This interpretation is maintained today by many Jewish scholars, though it only dates back to the Middle Ages.

What, then, are some of the credentials of the Messiah? Only a few can be listed below; there are many others. All of these passages were recognized by the early rabbis as referring to the Messiah:

  • Messiah was to be born at Bethlehem: Micah 5:2 (Micah 5:1 in Hebrew Bible)
  • Messiah would be from the tribe of Judah: Genesis 49:10
  • Messiah would present himself by riding on an ass: Zechariah 9:9
  • Messiah would be tortured to death: Psalm 22
  • Messiah would arrive before the destruction of the Second Temple: Daniel 9:24-27
  • Messiah's life would match a particular description, including suffering, silence at his arrest and trial, death and burial in a rich man's tomb, and resurrection: Isaiah 52:13-53:12

In detail as to lineage, birthplace, time, and lifestyle, Jesus matched the Messianic expectations of the Hebrew Scriptures. The record of this fulfillment is to be found in the pages of the New Testament. But several other factors combine to further substantiate the Messiahship of Jesus.

In the first place, he claimed to be the Messiah! When a woman said to him, "I know that Messiah is coming." he replied, "I who speak to you am he."1 Naturally, that doesn't prove anything one way or the other. But if Jesus had never made the claim to be the Messiah, why would we bother to try and prove that he was? His own claim lays the groundwork for the rest of the evidence.

Also, Jesus' life is in sharp contrast to that of the false Messiahs, and it is a positive demonstration of what we would expect the Messiah to do. Thus, Jesus worked many miracles of healing, bringing wholeness into people's lives, forgiving sin and restoring relationships. In contrast with Shabbetai Zevi, for instance, Jesus carried out the Law of Moses as a devout Jew. And in contrast with Bar Kochba, although Jesus also died, he was resurrected!

The resurrection is a third piece of additional evidence, and it is perhaps the most convincing vindication of Jesus' claims. It is interesting that an Israeli scholar, Pinchas Lapide, has written a book which has attracted no small amount of attention in the Jewish community. The reason is that Lapide has said that the resurrection of Jesus is well within the realm of possibility. After all, he reasoned, the Hebrew Scriptures give a number of accounts of people coming back to life. Why not Jesus as well? Regrettably, Lapide fails to note that the resurrection of Jesus is described in terms that go far beyond the resucitations of the other stories; and, he fails to come to grips with the fact that Jesus predicted his own resurrection, which vindicated his claims to Messiahship.

An assortment of explanations has been offered throughout history to explain away the resurrection as either non-historical ("It never happened.") or as non-supernatural ("Here's how it happened."). But these explanations have not been successful. Run down the possibilities for yourself and see which makes the best sense. Did the Roman authorities steal the body of Jesus from the tomb? Then why didn't they produce it when the word started being spread that Jesus was risen? Or maybe the disciples stole it. But could such a fabrication on their part account for the change in their attitude? Three days earlier they were disillusioned, defeated idealists who had hoped that Jesus would bring in a new world order; could a lie which they knew to be a lie, now account for their hope, their boldness in the face of official persecution, and for the high ethical standards they set?

Or perhaps Jesus never died: he just fainted on the cross and revived in the tomb. This idea was popularized in the book The Passover Plot by Hugh Schonfield. Unfortunately the author overlooked the fact that the Romans pierced Jesus' side, which would have most certainly killed him. Also, there was a contingent of Roman soldiers guarding the tomb as well as a huge stone that blocked its entrance. There was no way that a resuscitated Jesus could have escaped and then convinced hundreds of skeptical eyewitnesses that he had conquered death forever! Or was it all a mass hallucination? It must have been quite a hallucination to be seen by vastly different kinds of people at different times of day in many different places. You might be able to fool one person, but can you fool five hundred who saw him at one time? And unlike the pattern of hallucinations, these appearances of the resurrected Jesus stopped as suddenly as they started, forty days after the resurrection took place.

The only satisfactory explanation is that the resurrection actually occurred, just as the record says. And if that's the case, it's a solid reason for accepting the Messiahship of Jesus.

Finally, Jesus transforms people's lives. Because he provides atonement for sin and reconciliation with God, Jesus brings peace, joy, and purpose into people's lives. Apart from faith in him, there is no basis for true peace or direction, for as the psalmist says, "Man is estranged from the womb." That this estrangement is healed by the reconciling ministry of Jesus is the common experience of those who believe in him.

So, between the objective evidence of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, and the subjective verification in our own lives--we think there's ample evidence that Jesus was who he claimed to be!


Endnotes

  1. John 4:25-26

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0 # Angeline George 2014-10-19 10:27
I believe with all my heart that Jesus Christ is the messiah. Regardless what people may say im convinced of his divinty because i have personally experienced the overwhelming pres
ence of the wonderful presence of the Holy Spirit in my life. The Lord has powerfully ministered to me during different seasons of my life. The word of God is true and i believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. Jesus said 'search the scriptures , they testify of me'. He is an awesome God. Those who do not know Him miss out on the best this life giving spirit can impart the jews do not accept Him as God has sealed their eyes until the time of the gentiles are ripe. We call to love them and uphold them in our prayers. I love the Lord Jesus with all my heart. Shalom!.
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+1 # Austin 2014-10-08 14:43
You don't see to believe, You believe in order to see...
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0 # Actually_A_Jew 2014-09-28 03:05
Miracles are no proof of prophecy or Messiah-ship. "If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a SIGN [fortelling of future events] or WONDER [a miracle], and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, 'Let us follow other gods' (gods you have not known) 'and let us worship them,' you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him." (Deut. 13:1-4). God may allow people to do miracles, but the Bible says that this isn't a proof of anything.
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-1 # Actually_A_Jew 2014-09-28 03:01
I think it's interesting that all of the prophecies that you quote above are not exclusive to the coming of the messiah. Many people were born in Bethlehem, the Romans tortured thousands of people, many people rode on donkeys into Jerusalem in the first century. But the bible also shows prophecies that are completely exclusive to the messiah's arrival. They are a resurection of the dead en mass (Daniel 12:2), a universal knowledge of God (Isaiah 11), complete world disarmament and an end to warfare entirely (Isaiah 2), Torah observance by all of Israel, and an ingathering of all members of Israel, even the ones lost for centuries (Ezekiel 37). None of these have been fulfilled; just read the newspaper. So this article proves nothing except that Jesus fulfilled prophecies that are not exclusive to the comming of messiah. I'll wait for the real thing. I implore anyone questioning to look up the verses I cited, and ask yourself: has this happened yet?
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+1 # Malik 2014-10-08 19:52
Okay, I'll give you that...but you're missing the point. Daniel 9:24-27 gave a timeframe the Messiah HAD to have appeared...before the destruction of the second temple. How can you still be waiting if it had to have been fulfilled 2000 years ago? You should be trying to narrow down those who have ALREADY appeared, and seeing who the Messiah is.
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0 # Rachel 2014-10-09 18:05
You're right. They have not been fulfilled. Yet. There is no time frame set in the Torah or Bible. God is forever. So there is still time.
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-1 # Jean-Raymond Audet 2014-09-28 01:51
Jesus in the first three Gospels calls John the Baptist " ELIJAH" and I believe that John was born in the Judea in 6 BC during the star of David and died in the Fortress of Machaerus in 36 AD at the age of 42 because he was a treat to the stability of the Jewish Colony under Roman Rule! Jesus was born in Bethlehem of the Galilee in 4 AD, ten years after John during the Octavian Census and he was crucified in 37 AD at the age of 33 years old. Jesus was a disciple of John the Baptist and half the stories in the New Testament are Stories of John the Baptist Attributed to Jesus by his Followers, Example when Jesus was young and discussing Jewish Philosophy with Scribes this is a Story of John the Baptist and their are many others! The Modern Christianity Doctrine is that of the Super Apostle Paul who never saw the Real Jesus in Life but saw his Spirit on The Road to Damascus and Converted Peter to his Point of View! What about James the Just, the brother of Jesus, who believe in two MESSIA
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+2 # Matt Sieger 2014-09-29 02:59
To believe that Jesus and John the Baptist were born ten years apart, you have to deny the Scriptures, which state:
"At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: 'Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped f
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+1 # bojauhc 2014-09-16 14:01
3. Theory on why redemption and ultimate judgment didn't happen at the same time.
The Torah doesn't say the Messiah's redemption and ultimate judgment come together at one time but it does say that the gentiles must first be blessed.
since the Torah cant reach the world because Israel was punished by God because of their unfaithfulness, salvation for the gentiles must happen using another way.
instead of Israel conquering the gentiles and spreading the Torah then Messiahs redemption and ultimate judgment.
Messiah redemption first and new covenant (for gentiles) to bring salvation to the gentiles then Messiahs ultimate judgment.
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+1 # bojauhc 2014-09-16 14:01
1. Jesus teachings would contradict the Torah if he were a man, but if he were the Messiah (God) his teachings would not contradict the Torah. (since the laws was given to man for God; and the Messiah is God).
i.e. In the Torah, for man, forgiveness of sins, sacrificing for others sins is prohibited; but for God, it says otherwise.

2. Now, Jesus is the Messiah (God) because (unlike others) he fulfilled the prophecies stated in the Torah listed in links: http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefactsandlists/a/Prophecies-Jesus.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html
or just google for old testament prophecies fulfilled by Jesus
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0 # Adriu 2014-09-05 18:57
i believe that Jesus is the messiah because without him our sins were not forgiven which most most Jews lack. So as a christian, you Jews must reconsider this apart from the messiah consideration your all talking about.
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0 # Carolyn Steele 2014-09-01 13:19
This article has been a blessing to me. I appreciate all of the scriptural evidence of Jesus' role as the true Messiah. Jesus' Messiahship is perfect like no other claim. I thank you for presenting the truth.
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0 # dsm 2014-08-26 10:18
To Janee:
A lot of people were born in Bethlehem, including David.
The Psalms are not prophetic; they were songs, usually to God, written mostly by King David,
I have looked at the prophecies, I cannot see where any of them fit Yeshua. The closest is Isaiah 53, but if you start reading at the end of Chapter 52, it makes it clear that this applies to the nation of Israel, not to an individual.

Even the New Testament contradicts the Christian theology. Both genealogies of Yeshua end with Joseph as his father, which contradicts the belief that God was his father. As far as the "virgin" birth, read all of Isaiah 7, not just verse 14. This was a sign to King Ahaz that within 65 years, his enemies would be destroyed. This was never a messianic prophesy. It was made several hundred years before Yeshua was born, so if he was its fulfillment, it was a false prophecy, as it did not occur within the 65 years of its being made.
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0 # axz9 2014-10-22 16:36
Read all of Isaiah 7:14-16

It specifically says that "before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste." meaning that the land of the kings Ahaz dreaded would be deserted "before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right" not the other way around. Implying it would be before his birth certainly before his maturity due to the use of the term boy.
Far from invalidating this being a messianic prophecy relating to Jesus it only further confirm's the possibility of Jesus being Immanuel since he was born after the land of the kings Ahaz dreaded was deserted as predicted in this prophecy.
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0 # Ricky 2014-08-19 21:09
If it's prophesied that there will be a second coming of Jesus, does that mean reincarnation is real? I mean he died and then willcome back to earth. That kind of fits the theroy, I'm just very curious
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0 # goodbirdy 2014-10-17 02:03
Interesting question, but the bible is absolutely opposed to new age philosophies such as reincarnation. After Jesus came back from the heart of the earth (hell) to bear our wrath he was resurrected- still the exact same person though and after about forty days he was taken up into heaven where He now is interceding for us. When he comes back He will come back as a mighty king and all the world shall see Him, as the jews had been expecting. He is still the same Jesus, He is just coming down to the earth to take his people and to put an end to the devil's evil and all the devil's angels and his servants, all the people who had not turned from their wickedness and turned in faith to Christ to bear our sins. May you have a blessed day!
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0 # idriveorlando 2014-08-18 07:32
So do jews believe in Jesus?
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0 # Ruth Rosen 2014-08-18 15:57
A minority of Jewish people believe in Jesus and there always has been a minority of Jesus-believing Jews. The Jewish people are very diverse so there is very little, if anything that you can say Jews do or don't believe. The Jewish religion as it stands today teaches that Jesus is not the Messiah. However, many Jewish people do not follow the Jewish religion.
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0 # Alan 2014-08-13 04:43
After reading the comments below, it is obvious that some Jews still don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah because he did not fulfill all or some of the prophecies.

That's fine, but I just have one question though. If Jesus isn't the Messiah, are you still expecting the real Messiah to show up? It's been 2000 years and there hasn't been anyone remotely close to what Jesus has accomplished.
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0 # dsm 2014-08-30 05:42
Are you still expecting your Messiah to return after 2,000 years? And do you think that there are people 2,000 years old, as Jesus said that some of you standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his glory?
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0 # Alan 2014-09-02 19:56
Yes, I am still expecting my Lord and Savior Jesus to return after 2,000 years. I will be happy to answer your second question, but first answer my original question.

If Jesus isn't the Messiah, are you still expecting the real Messiah to show up?
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0 # dsm 2014-09-13 03:43
Yes, of course. God did not give a timeframe for the appearance of the Messiah.
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0 # Spike 2014-09-14 14:27
Hi DSM,
The timeline was described in Daniel 9.
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0 # Actually_A_Jew 2014-09-28 02:54
If you think the timeline is in Daniel 9, then you need to learn Hebrew.
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0 # Kim 2014-08-11 03:08
This whole forum is JEWS FOR JESUS!!!! If your not a christian wether jewish or not,.... Then why bother to comment or ask questions if your interest isnt really intended to believe in jesus???? Ive seen a few folks intelligent on the bible giving extremly great answers & views on why jesus is the messiah. & yet the people who dont believe clearly have their mind set . Almost to say you truely dont want to believe jesus as the messiah... Cause the facts are there but denial is still your thought. As for the people who said they read the bible & its just not there or the prophecies cannot pertain to jesus. Then its EXTREMLY obvious that you dont understand the bible.. Im saying this because as a christian my whole life , im just able to read & clearly understand the bible...& it took years of reading & studying . There way of writing is somewhat difficult to understand without studying & research. JESUS THE MESSIAH, JESUS the CHRIST, our LORD, our SAVIOR... I pray your eyes open SOON!
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0 # dsm 2014-08-30 05:46
I was a devout Christian for 45 years. Then I started reading the Bible and God showed me that there is only one God. I searched for seven years for support for my Christian faith and found none. I prayed for God's truth and guidance and He opened my eyes. I explore "proofs" periodically because my mind is open if someone can show me something I have not considered.
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0 # blessedby3 2014-09-05 03:45
Matthew chapter one verse 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." If you read it says our image
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0 # dsm 2014-09-13 03:48
It is the "royal" we or God is speaking to the heavenly hosts. The Torah says on almost every page that God is one, there is no other, there is none beside Him, He is God and not man. How much clearer could He make it?
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0 # dsm 2014-09-13 03:57
Two interpretations:

It is the editorial or royal "we"

God is speaking to the heavenly hosts
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0 # Actually_A_Jew 2014-09-28 02:56
True, and many Christian scholars agree with this view. Additionally, a verse in the "dark" cannot illuminate a verse in the "light", meaning since that verse in ambiguous, it can't be used as a proof from a scholarly perspective.
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0 # LarryB 2014-08-05 13:02
Instead of pointing to the credentials of the messiah, Can you give a single “fulfilled prophecy” that should make us think that Jesus is the Messiah before the crucifixion?
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+1 # messianicmatt 2014-08-05 14:43
Micah 5:1 (in the Tanakh), which is Micah 5:2 in most modern translations of the Bible, says that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Yeshua (Jesus) was born in Bethlehem: "But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel,whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days."
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0 # messianicmatt 2014-08-05 14:46
Larry B.
I don't see the distinction you are making between credentials and fulfilled prophecy. I see Micah 5:1, for example, as a fulfillment of prophecy.
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0 # Janee 2014-08-20 04:07
Sure, I would be happy to respectfully share some fulfilled prophecies. 1.Prophecy: "You, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, ...from you will come out for me the one to be ruler of Israel"-Micah 5:2. 1b. Fulfillment: "After Jesus had been born in Bethlehen of Judea in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from the East came to Jerusalem. 2. Prophecy:"They divide my garments among themselves, and they cast lots for my clothing"- Psalm 22:18. 2b: Fulfillment: Read John 19:23, 24. I would be happy to share a few more if you like. I am running out of space. Please let me know. Respectfully, J.
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0 # Luis Gameros 2014-08-01 20:21
This Native American whose Old Ways were fulfilled in the one salvific act of the Christ know what it is to be doubled by God. We saw God as Father/ Mother, two persons one God, in the fulfillment of my people we received the Son and the Spirit through the Mother giving us Four Person in the One God, It sure would be nice to get everyone driving as they look forward for a change and let go like we have of your past in order to be doubled also.
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0 # Kim 2014-07-19 20:19
Has anyone that doesnt accept jesus as the messiah with the claim that the messiah will have 2 human parents ever really read the bible ? I ask because the idea of jesus having 2 human parents is very wrong & christians beliefs of him being the son of God & the son of a virgin is not pagean! That belief came from the book of genisis when satan tempted Eve,,, God prophesied then because of what he done , that God himself will put his enitiy in the seed of a woman & that seed born of a virgin will be the one who shall bruise satans head . He warned satan about the messiah & jesus' crucifixtion fullfilled that ,, plus its a clear statement that he will not have 2 human parents,, also linage does not have to come from the man,,,
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+1 # dsm 2014-09-15 02:02
All you have to do is read the Bible to disprove Christianity, For example, Matthew Chapter 1 misquotes Isaiah 7:14 to predict a virgin birth. Read the entire chapter. It is taken out of context. It is NOT a prophecy of the messiah. It is a sign to King Ahaz that within 65 years his enemies would not exist. It was made 700 years before Jesus' birth, so if he spoke of Jesus, it was a false prophesy, as it would not have come to pass within the 65 year time frame.
Also, the genealogy of Jesus given in the New Testament both end with Joseph, not Mary.
Christians do not do as Jesus did, which is to follow the Torah. Nor do they do as Jesus said, which is to follow the Torah, obey God's laws and commandments and listen to the Pharasees & scribes. Why do you not follow the example of your founder rather than some man who never even met him?
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0 # Mariya 2014-07-11 15:57
My question is why call the Messiah "Jesus". When it was obviously not His name. Yahushua is His name and it means Yahuweh saves. The Son carried the most important message in His name! That is all you need to know. His name is the only one that is righteous. He came to glorify the Father among His people, tell them the truth, THE MESSAGE!
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0 # Rich Robinson 2014-07-11 22:21
His Hebrew name is correctly "Yeshua." As to why call him Jesus — because that's his name in English. The inspired Greek New Testament calls him "Iesous" because it's in Greek, not Hebrew.
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0 # Mariya 2014-07-19 22:10
"Jesus" in either translation of the salvation YAHUWEH SAVES not transliteration in Greek. So if your name is Rich in English, why call you different name in Hebrew, Greek, Russian or whatever. Name should not change, especially the name of salvation and the name of the Messiah. Jesus is not the name that should be praised because by the NAME and pronunciation you praising Zeus not even realizing. Think about it "christos"- anointed and Jesus (zeus).... Anointed by Zeus? Lol
No!!!
Yahushua is the Messiah anointed by Yahuweh!
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0 # Rich Robinson 2014-07-21 15:57
Since the New Testament was written in Greek and calls him Iesous, do you throw out the New Testament?
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0 # Ruth Rosen 2014-07-11 23:03
Just to add a bit to what Rich Robinson said, on the day of Pentecost everyone who came to Jerusalem from various countries heard about His wonderful deeds in their own languages. It stands to reason that neither the meaning or the power of That Name are lessened when people hear it in their own language. It can be helpful for English speakers to say his name in Hebrew as a reminder that Jesus is Jewish. But that doesn't mean He is any less Jewish when you say His name in English.
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+1 # Amy 2014-07-06 04:02
What about the other messianic prophecies? Wasn't there supposed to be world peace?
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0 # Rich Robinson 2014-07-07 18:02
Good question, and this article addresses it - http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v05-n08/firstthings.
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0 # Janee 2014-07-31 03:56
Yes, there WILL be world peace! In his answer, Jesus told what would occur before Jerusalem’s destruction. But his words were more far-reaching than that. His prophecy would later have a larger fulfillment worldwide. Jesus prophesied about a combination of events and world conditions that would form a sign before this world peace was to take place. First, Matthew 24:1-14.
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0 # Janee 2014-07-31 03:56
That sign would show those on earth that Jesus’ presence as King in heaven had begun. In other words, the sign would indicate that God had made Jesus the King of the long-promised Messianic Kingdom. The sign would mean that the Kingdom was about to remove wickedness and bring true peace to mankind. The things Jesus foretold would thus mark the last days of the old system of things—the religious, political, and social systems that now exist—and the beginning of a new one.
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+1 # Janee 2014-07-31 03:57
Explaining what would happen on earth during his presence as King in heaven, Jesus said that there would be international wars, food shortages, great earthquakes, and widespread disease. Lawlessness would increase. Jesus’ genuine disciples would preach the good news of God’s Kingdom in all the earth. All these things would culminate in “great tribulation” such as had never occurred before.—Matthew 24:21.
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0 # Janee 2014-07-31 03:58
How would Jesus’ followers know when that tribulation is near? “Learn from the fig tree,” said Jesus. (Matthew 24:32) The appearance of fig leaves on the branches is a noticeable sign that summer is near. Likewise, the occurrence within one time period of all the things Jesus foretold would be a recognizable sign that the end is near. No one but the Father would know the exact day and hour when the great tribulation would begin. Therefore, Jesus urged his disciples: “Keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is.”—Mark 13:33. “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations.” (Matthew 24:14)
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0 # dsm 2014-09-15 02:08
So if all the prophesies that the messiah is supposed to fulfill were not fulfilled by Jesus during his lifetime, why believe he was the messiah vs. any other Jew?
After all, the Tanakh says that all will know when the messiah comes. And if you believe that will be at a second appearance (which is nowhere in the Bible), why not believe in some others who claimed to be the messiah and died without bringing about world peace, etc.?
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0 # Avi 2014-06-25 19:18
Have you guys even bothered looking at the inconsistency with all four gospel, all different stories.
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0 # Matt Sieger 2014-06-25 19:21
Avi,
Have you examined the harmony of the four Gospels?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/harmony/
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0 # Love 2014-07-15 16:09
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-1 # Kimberly 2014-06-05 18:43
Im a vowed christian & truely believe jesus to be the son of GOD. I see some say why believe thd new testament & it was written by men . Well so was the old testament .. Both written by man but the true word of GOD., i dont judge anyone for their beliefs but for the ones who dont believe in our creator, why do you need proof? Isnt that the point of faith? After all jesus said woe to those who seen & talked to me but did not believe & blessed are those who did not see me & still believe... I understand the need to look for answers because we are told to look for the truth & beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. & proof that jesus was the messiah is all there. After all the torah says more than 2 is witness. THOUSANDS seen jesus after his ressurection. Prayers to those who look to the internet & other sources for answers. The modern mind is lost . EVERYTHING IS IN THE BIBLE.. Old & new testaments.!! As jesus said .. father forgive them for they know not what they do.
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0 # rick 2014-05-31 17:16
No, but seriously, because it's a big thing, in Zec.11, verses 12 and 13, where it's written "And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price 30 pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prized at of them. And I took the 30 pieces of silver, and I cast them unto the potter in the house of the Lord", isn't this a clear and unequivocal proclamation that in fact, it is Judas who is Moshiach? Wo is courageous enough to respond?
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+1 # ric 2014-05-29 16:56
Concerning the famous 30 pieces of silver, or the wages of betrayal, The New Testament says to look at Jeremiah to find the source. But as everyone knows, it is to be found in the 11th chapter of the book of the prophet Zechariah. And its impossible to see Jesus being talked about here. For the subject of the passage, nominally the Messiah, is he who receives the money and then throws the it back to the potter in the house of the Lord. And as every child in Christendom knows, that was Judas.
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+2 # Shalom 2014-05-25 21:17
Very interesting. But unfortunately it is very lacking intellectually. All of those proofs from the bible were not beyond a shadow of a doubt proofs. or even good ones. Some references made in the scriptures aren't referring to messiah but the Jewish people as a whole (Isiah 52 for instance). Also if Jesus really was born from a virgin birth then he is not from King David, since we only go after the biological father for lineage and Jesus has no father. So he CAN'T be Messiah.
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+1 # ric 2014-05-23 18:13
Grow up y'all, the New Testament is an allegory, and not a report of something which actually happened. And the meaning of the allegory is that the most hated man on earth, Judas, is the Messiah. When King David fled before his upstart son, Absalom, he was accosted on the way by a man who called him an evil man, and a man of blood. But rather than killing the man as one of his followers suggested, David said to let the man be, that what he had said was from God, and that maybe one day God would turn to good the curses he had received. This is what has been done to the 'evil and bloody Judas,' who awaits his redemption as well.
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0 # peter 2014-05-25 03:03
Judas?? Please cite sources!
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+1 # Doniel H Hart 2014-05-20 20:21
Yes! Most defiantly yeshua is the Messiah! His claims are true! He, is the resurrected lord!
Philppians 2:5-11!
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+5 # Brennen 2014-05-16 01:16
This entire conflict can't be solved until our time is up. The one thing I know is there are a lot of things leading away from Jesus as the messiah but I know there is a lot proving Jesus is our savior. In the end everyone on here is probably set with there decision but I know Jesus is the messiah. You just have to give it all to him and you will feel it, that shiver in your bones. Give it all. You will feel the presence of Jesus Christ within yourself I promis."live by faith and night by sight" live by faith and not by sight"
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+1 # Joseph 2014-05-09 08:39
Knowing things by their fruits. Contrast the words of Jesus with some of the stuff in the Talmud.
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+1 # Peter 2014-04-27 23:16
What do you say to a reason who used to be a Christian and now walked away from all of that to become jewish because the evidence is just not there as claimed?
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0 # Rich Robinson 2014-04-28 16:26
Peter, get coffee with them and find out why they think there's no evidence and other reasons they may have had. Usually faith decision are not only intellectual but there are lots of motives. As to the evidence, it's there — see Michael Brown's book series "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus" at store.jewsforjesus.o rg — but you need to hear them as to their other motivations, or their expectations as to what the Christian faith is about.
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0 # peter 2014-05-09 15:49
I am one of those people you are talking about. I used to believe in jesus and when i honestly looked at the claims compared them to torah in context i found that it wasnt even close.
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+1 # Rich Robinson 2014-05-09 16:59
Why did you ask your question then?
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-1 # donald 2014-05-10 06:01
Jesus is the Messiah, and if he wasn't it is impossible for there to be another now. He would have to arrive before the destruction of the second temple, which happened in 70 ad. He would have to present himself as the messiah while riding into Jerusalem the exact day that Daniel prophesied it, which was in 32 ad. The old testament also states that the Messiah would be killed for a capital crime and taken away from his people for a time. The biggest problem people have accepting Jesus as the Messiah is the prophecies about his triumphant reign, but we are still in the the time of man's 6000yr self reign. At the time of the second coming Jesus will set up his millennial kingdom and reign for a thousand years, bring a close to our 7000yr life on this earth. The there will be a new creation of the new heaven and new earth.
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+1 # peter 2014-05-11 18:03
where in torah or all of tanakh does it say there is a specific time limit on when the messiah can come? why is your messiah half and half. nobody can be fully god and fully man your either one or another.
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0 # Matt Sieger 2014-05-12 16:49
Peter,
Please read this: http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v05-n01/timetable

and watch this:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/questions-and-answers/godbecameman
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-1 # peter 2014-05-13 00:33
after reading the article and seeing the video, im not convinced in the slightest. i am however convinced the jews for jesus is not about judaism but christianity out to pervert judaism. leave jews and judaism alone G-d is saving them by his covenant with him nothing else no jesus, yeshua can save them only HASHEM!
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-2 # mort stern 2014-05-21 14:41
I agree. The evangelical Christians are simply trying to convert Jews to Christianity. In any case the Gospel stories are myths and they contradict then selves in many areas. Myths can be nice but they can be evil when used to persecute millinos of other belivers.
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+1 # peter 2014-05-21 22:36
finally someone who can think for themself. so then what is the difference between messianic judaism, hebrew christian and evangelical christianity. as for what i am seeing there is absolutely no difference
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-2 # DSM 2014-08-10 06:40
I, too, am a former (repentant) Christian. What convinced me that Jesus/Yeshua was not the Messiah was actually reading the Bible. The prophecies attributed by the Christians to Jesus/Yeshua are a joke. Some do not apply to the Messiah, some apply to God, some are not even propheices (such as the Psalms). Most of the true Messianic prophecies are that the Messiah will save the Jewish people from the Syrians & the Assyrians. There is :o prediction of a virgin birth. Isaiah 7:14 would have had to have been fulfilled several hundred years before Jesus/Yeshua was born, so it cannot apply to him. Also, both genealogies of Jesus/Yeshua end with Joseph, so how can God be Jesus/Yeshua's father?

I could go on, but Christianity is simply paganism with Jewish trappings & no one on this forum will probably accept that.
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+1 # joel 2014-06-24 23:49
You didn't read Daniel all the all the way through did you...
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+2 # Peter 2014-06-25 16:02
Joel yes I have read Daniel before but it is not messianic except for daniel 10:14. Other than that Christian claims about Daniel are unfounded biblically.
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+1 # dsm 2014-08-30 05:55
Peter, I, too have rejected the Christian faith based on the Bible. I have considered converting to Judaism. I'm just wondering how difficult it was for you.
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-1 # victress 2014-04-22 08:07
Jesus never claimed to be Messiah never a script in the bible where Jesus said I am Messiah but the events that happened 2 him proves that He is Messiah the Son of God and it was prophesied long ago that people will reject Him.He was even rejected by Jews but surprisingly they wrote king of Jews when He was crucified and when Jesus died the earth was shaken and the sun turned dark and spirits were raised from the graves and they were joined with him and everyone saw that He was really the son of God.
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+5 # Matt Sieger 2014-04-22 14:59
Here are a few passages where Jesus does indeed claim to be the Messiah:
Matthew 16:16-17
John 4:25-26
Matthew 26:63-64
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+5 # Jesse 2014-04-09 00:48
I came to Jesus in 2001 and was blessed with health, a great career as a self employed webmaster along with other things. There is really nothing better than what Jesus gave me. For some reason, I decided to repent of Christianity and try to do what they call tshuva. Big disaster. I ended up trying to deny my true experience of Christ and now I feel spiritually dead. It is too bad. I had a lot to offer the world in the name of Christ but the Jewish community gives you so much pressure for it I couldn't stand up to it. Man I could have helped thousands of people with their web businesses as part of a Christian outreach program. Jesus is serious stuff. I doubted he was the messiah, but after being to Israel I can see the truth of what he spoke. It's a bad situation that a Jew who accepts Jesus is looked at as a traitor. I know what he saved me from. I hate the catch 22.
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+5 # Joseph Porto 2014-03-26 23:17
This is great , and the reality is that a real person of the Jewish faith has to believe in the old testament, And thus, therefore , there should be no question, Jesus is the Messiah. .
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+2 # Peter 2014-03-26 19:58
Only the creator can convince you to be spiritual.. He must speak to you personally by the Spirit..you will never be able to reason it out. He makes the first move. You just need to accept it by faith
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+1 # carole 2014-05-10 21:05
No, that is not true. That idea comes from Calvinism. We do not wait until the Spirit moves us. We don't wait for some "feeling" to come over us before we do what we need to do to be saved.
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+1 # Lachlan Harper 2014-03-05 23:10
Hi Dimitri, you little smarty bum, i like you.
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0 # Dimitri Pravdin 2014-02-27 01:06
From your first sentence, you're heading into dangerous territory: "It is important to begin by saying that for one who has already made up his or her mind that Jesus is not the Messiah, no amount of evidence will be convincing". That is, you're venturing into emotionalism and relativism. This is the common pitfall of Christian apologetics. Instead of letting the facts speak for themselves, people who disagree with your claims are simply "blinded" and "ignorant" fools, unable to recognise truth even as it stares them in their faces. On the other hand, Evangelicals will disregard facts simply because they've "had an experience", or "have met Jesus". I.e., an emotional experience is the Ground Zero of faith, not truth.

For me, after 3 decades of being an Evangelical, I've called it quits. Finally, daring to question is permissible.
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+3 # Rich Robinson 2014-02-27 04:32
Hi Dimitri, Actually it's funny that you are talking about emotionalism when the article is actually about evidences that we can evaluate with our mind. But it's true that for everyone (you, me, others) we all operate with filters and presuppositions that we need to examine. No where did we say people who disagree are blind and ignorant! Please don't put words into people's mouths. I think questioning is a very good thing and I also think there are excellent reasons to embrace faith in Jesus, some of which are given in this article (but no appeals to experiences and emotions!). Let me commend a book to you, "The Reasons for God" by Timothy Keller. Check it out.
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0 # Helstrom 2014-03-05 05:51
You may have some good points. But you cannot deny that there ARE a great many who will straight up deny facts when faced with them.
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+1 # Blah 2014-02-21 18:43
Did Jesus perform a miracle in front of your face? No. So why do you believe him without proof? If someone says they found a 1 pound diamond I won't believe them until they show me proof. If you're so willing to believe Jesus without proof then let me tell you, I am the messiah. Trust me. I have no proof but it's true because religion
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+1 # Matt Sieger 2014-02-21 18:51
Do you believe in any miracles? Like Moses parting the Red Sea? Or is it just Jesus's miracles you can't believe in? Either way, you might want to read this:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v10-n10/jesus
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+2 # Rion Caughman 2014-02-26 18:08
There are docmentaries about the chariots @ the bottom of the Red Sea, and the tactical/ logistical of where they crossed. and they agree
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+2 # Suzy 2014-03-19 18:08
Quoting Blah:
Did Jesus perform a miracle in front of your face? No. So why do you believe him without proof? If someone says they found a 1 pound diamond I won't believe them until they show me proof. If you're so willing to believe Jesus without proof then let me tell you, I am the messiah. Trust me. I have no proof but it's true because religion


Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” -John 20:29
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-1 # victress 2014-04-22 08:14
when you say """""" I believe you"""""""""" it simply means I wasn't there but your heart tells you that it happened
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0 # Romano Gorlei 2014-02-16 11:17
What do you tell your Jewish child when he/she comes to you having just been told by someone that Jesus is the Meshiach? Are you angry at the child? Do you act drastically out of sheer desperation? What would you say to your child?
Please help here.
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+1 # Rich Robinson 2014-02-17 17:33
Romano,
Are you asking rhetorically, or from the standpoint of a Jewish parent who does not believe that Jesus is Mashiach? I can tell you as a Jew that when I cam to faith in Jesus, many years ago, my parents were quite taken aback but ended up respecting my faith and enjoying the company of other Jews who believed likewise. That is a fairly typical response today. But I suspect you are asking something different?
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0 # marino 2014-02-15 08:03
But a lot of written works were destroyed.
And only those chosen by "man" (the powers that be) were allowed to be presented.
So who can say which literature is truly true.
To control the masses one withholds and denies true knowledge.
Scientia Est Potentia - Knowledge is Power.
And since "man" is all about power and control, Why would the PTB allow all to have such true knowledge freely distributed among the masses, hence the destroying of libraries and the hidden vaults of the Vatican.
It has been said in days gone by leaders of men that religion was invented to stop the poor from killing the rich.
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+1 # Glenn 2014-01-22 13:11
I believe what Kaplan is missing is that there will be a second coming of Christ. The first coming of Christ is the suffering savior to be the once and for all atonement of our sins as prophesied in Isaiah 53. And the second coming of Christ will be to fulfill the remainder of the prophesies. When the Messiah Yeshua returns in power and glory, He will be revealed as the longed-for Messiah, Son of David. He will bring an end to the conflict which will be raging over Jerusalem, threatening the world with destruction (Zechariah 12-14, Revelation 16-19). He will destroy the world system responsible for corruption and wickedness on earth and for the end-time tribulation (Jeremiah 51, Revelation 18) and He will set up a godly kingdom from Jerusalem, bringing peace and justice to the nations of the world (Isaiah 2:1-4, Revelations 20:4-6).
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-1 # Rick 2014-06-02 17:45
Really Glenn? All that by one man. If you want a better world it's up to you to bring it about, and not sit back and wait for a comic book super-hero to do it for you.
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0 # Boruch N. Hoffinger 2014-01-02 03:12
Can you answer all the statements in Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's book? 'Who is the Real Messiah?'
Thank you.
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+3 # Rich Robinson 2014-01-03 16:33
Check out Michael Brown's book series "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus" - vv. 1-4 published by Baker Books v. 5 by Purple Pomegranate.
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+5 # jenny 2013-12-23 18:14
It all goes back to fellowship, God is a relational God. He does what is impossible for man. God planted a garden, but he had Adam take care of it, because it was within the abilities God gave him to accomplish that. Man couldn't create himself, God did( but then he gave them the ability to reproduce). Man couldn't flood the world, so God did (but man could build a boat, so man did). Man could write down what God spoke, so God let man do that. We are expected to do everything we can and God steps in to do the things we can't do, not the things we won't do. The Bible wasn't written at one time, it was written by many men about what God was doing at the time. If God would have written everything ahead of time, then man probably would have choose not to follow the historical events. If God would have written it all after Christ, there would be no Jewish nation for Christ to be born into. So we are left exactly as God had planed it. Each writer, inspired by the Spirit of God
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+5 # jenny 2013-12-23 18:07
If you created a universe, and you wanted to communicate some important message to the people who lived there, how would you choose to do it? I can see two possible scenarios: Give your entire message to one "prophet" to relay the message to the rest of the people. The obvious problem with this option is that the one "prophet" looks like a lunatic to everyone else, and is impossible to authenticate. And they are usually considered lunatics, and impossible to authenticate.
This scenario adds a lot of credibility. If hundreds of authors, spread over geography and time, all share parts of the same message, and all agree with each other, then this is far more credible than a single prophet. there are a few other options, too, that I can think of:
Go in person, and deliver the message.
Make the message appear miraculously, so that it was unmistakably from you.
But then, the Christian Bible contains both of these, as well.How else would you have done it?
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+2 # raymundo glez 2013-12-21 19:43
is very important, that all te people knows this true.
Thanks for your words
Jesusu is the Messiah
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+6 # jenny 2013-12-08 16:50
Nevertheless, what did Jesus say about himself?
One time when he was traveling with his disciples, he asked them

Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.
"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven."


Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"
Jesus replied, "...Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
"You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
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-1 # Peter 2013-12-22 15:55
If Jesus said all these things and if he was actually God, why didn't he himself write the book? He was here, living on earth. This is all second hand written down some 60 years after it all actually happened. If God really came to earth you think he would have written His "instructions" and so clear and concise that there would be no debate who is who. If God is so great and powerful and omnipotent then he should have just spoke to the entire world of people at that time. Why all the run around? If you impartially examine the books, they were reordered for Christianity. Versus are taken out of context to make everything fit. Now that we have the internet you can crosscheck very easily. I don't think humans can understand God, what created the universe and why we are here. All humans should just get along in peace and work together. All religions have some truth claims, like love your neighbor. They also make very bold claims that people buy into that become dangerous.
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+12 # Richard J Stuart 2014-01-04 14:00
Don't we already have enough problems with literalism? As is Jesus has to yell at his own disciples for hanging too closely on his every word. "What makes you think I was talking about bread?" This problem would be ten times worse if Jesus had written down a code. Read the gospels, Jesus is constantly berating the Rabbis of his time for overly literal readings of scripture: e.g. God invented the Sabbath for man, not man for the Sabbath. Jesus was careful NOT to write things down himself and to speak in parables. He wants you to THINK not be a slave to words.
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+3 # sunny the great 2014-02-03 19:27
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0 # jenny 2013-12-08 16:32
About this world peace, the answer or reason why there is no world peace is because of us humans. an analogy: imagine you built yourself a beautiful home back at your place, you invited people to live in the house but you werent living there lets say you travelled. upon your return the house was in ruins and very messy. who would you hold responsible for that act? my point is God created the worl and all in it but when he put man in charge of it all things came crashing and for that reason we have no peace because we created the chaos ourselves. noone is going to end the havoc except us all in the world the earlier we understand that the better
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-1 # M. 2013-11-30 20:27
If jesus was part of a trinity of g-d, and was an incarnation of g-d on earth, it would not have been possible for him to be the messiah. The messiah must have a human father directly decended from king david. The messiah must also be completely human.
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+4 # jenny 2013-12-23 18:36
M.
The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth.Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things. Is Yeshua really the promised Messiah of Israel of the Old Testament?” Is Jesus Christ truly the Son of God … literally God Himself, the Divine living within human flesh? Were Jesus Christ’s claims that of a Liar or Lunatic … or is He really Lord of the universe?
You may want to take a tour of some of the major highlights of Jesus’ life. Or you may want to preview what people were saying before Christ was born it is true indeed.
If God has planned to visit us in the manner that we are made,who are we to ask why? Jesus was born just like we were to human parents from David's descendant.
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+1 # Suzy 2014-03-18 15:47
David had eight wives. Through Bathsheba, he had two sons names Solomon and Nathan.
Joseph is decended through Solomon and Mary is decended by Nathan. Both through the lines of David.
So, even through a virginal birth, Jesus is biologically decended from David on his mother's side.
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0 # Sarah 2013-09-12 02:03
Im a Noahide and I follow the Seven Laws of Noah.
I learned from Orthodox Rabbi's and asknoah.org.
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+7 # Junebug 2013-06-27 02:06
Hi, my name is Hannah and I'm a firm believer that Jesus is the Messiah. I've always been a Christian, but I've come to terms with Jesus myself this past year. He's really changed my heart and i know i am closer to Him now. I just wanted to tell all the non-believers here something that i think will help them. Here it is: Read the NT. Find out for yourself what it says, but before you start to read you MUST NOT BE BIASED. If you are, reading the NT wont help you. Take it in slowly, maybe only read a few pages a day. You'll find a lot of great things in there. Also, before you start to read, pray to G-d that He will reveal the truth to you. Remember to clear your head of all bias. I have a great life serving the Lord and i wish all of you the same. God bless you all and amen!
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+1 # Hannah 2013-05-22 13:59
It is hard for me to accept Jesus as the Messiah when the NT has mistranslated and taken so many verses out of context just to make sure Jesus fit the description of the Messiah. Also, where in the OT does it say the Messiah is to come a second time??
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0 # Junebug 2013-06-27 14:17
Quoting Hannah:
It is hard for me to accept Jesus as the Messiah when the NT has mistranslated and taken so many verses out of context just to make sure Jesus fit the description of the Messiah. Also, where in the OT does it say the Messiah is to come a second time?

Hi Hannah, my name is Hannah, too. Im guessing you were also names after Samuel's mom? Id be happy to answer your questions. Ive heard of mistranslating verses (tell me which ones so we can discuss them) but ive never heard of them taken out of context. As for where in the OT does it say that the Messiah will come a second time? please look at next comment, it keeps saying my comment is too long when its not. Thanks
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0 # Junebug 2013-06-27 15:01
Quoting Hannah:
It is hard for me to accept Jesus as the Messiah when the NT has mistranslated and taken so many verses out of context just to make sure Jesus fit the description of the Messiah. Also, where in the OT does it say the Messiah is to come a second time??

Like i was saying: Where in the OT does it say the Messiah is to come a second time? It doesnt. But it also never says that the Messiah can only come once, and that whoever claims to come twice cant be the Messiah. The OT has passages that describe what the Messiah will do and how to recognize a false Messiah. Nowhere in these passages does it say that the Messiah will only come to Earth once. This is just an assumption by Jews that has been around for so long, it has been "made" the truth. I really hope this helped you, Hannah. If you have any more questions, just ask me. I'll be praying for G-d to reveal the truth to you. God bless you and amen!
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0 # vinny 2013-04-12 15:22
Brother Mike.

I hear your words. My response is quite simple. Take all those that precede mine, then know I have finally found HIM! I pray your search is not as long as was mine.

In Him

vinny
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+3 # Yelena 2013-03-14 23:07
Mordechai, thank you so much for your well-thought out, logical, and reasonable arguments.
To honestly debate if Jesus is messiah, we have to do so without resorting to "it comes from the heart and belief, not the head." With that kind of logic you can follow any slew of religions. A person can easily convince themselves of anything. One MUST think with his head, it's why G-d gave us one! As the dalai lama has said "if science proves buddhism wrong, then buddhism must change" the same here. If all proofs seem to point that Jesus is not the messiah you cannot say "but I feel that he is."
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+1 # Joe 2013-03-06 05:55
There will be no trolls on judgment day. Our job is not to convert or convince, only to share and let God make the change in other folk's lives.
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+5 # Devorahchaya 2013-03-02 15:55
I am a Jewish believer in Jesus the Messiah since 1989, I was 38 yrs old, steeped in my Jewish religion, brought up orthodox, spent lots of time at shul. Defended my Jewishness. I can onlly say that I had an open heart for the Ruach HaKodesh. He saw that, my eyes were open as was my heart and I see everything that I was blinded to for years of just didn't notice to be more truthful. One person cannot convinve another. It is the work of the Ruach. If you are in question, ask God to show you things in His word you have never seen before and He will be faithful to that question if it is asked with pure honesty. It was like that for me with Is 53. Now I know that I know the truth. 1Jn5:11-13.
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-11 # Phil 2013-02-23 17:01
Next, you'll be offering us similar "proof" that Santa Claus really does exist.
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+3 # RJ 2013-02-21 20:27
In addition to the Jeremiah 31:31-34 verses about God making a “new” covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, and Jesus’ death on the cross as the perfect sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins:

In Matthew 15:24, Jesus said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

In Matthew 26:28, Jesus said, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
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+4 # RJ 2013-02-21 17:12
"The time is coming ... when I will make a new covenant with … Israel. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers … because they broke my covenant … . This is the covenant I will make with … Israel” -- [1] “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.” [2] “I will be their God, and they will be my people.” [3] “They will all know me … .” [4] “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-13.

The old covenant failed because Israel was a sinful nation; it is now obsolete. Jesus died as a ransom to set Israel free from the sins they committed under the old covenant. (Hebrews 9:15). Because of Jesus’ death on the cross, God will forgive us, and will remember our sins no more. Jesus will not return to fulfill the remaining end-time prophecies (i.e., peace on earth; Jews return home) until Israel says: “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” Matthew 23:39.
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0 # Matthew karkoska 2013-02-15 02:29
The main conclusion I have drawn from religion is that it really is about faith. People ask why God would not prove His existence if he were real...Ya, they would want it that easy huh? No work on their part whatsoever, and no leap of faith. The very fact that God cannot be proven to exist, or Jesus proven to be the Messiah, is what makes religion faith-based.

And the Jews who do not accept Jesus as the Messiah may still be saved. They will be judged based on the same laws and covenant they received in the Old Testament. But truly, even Jews who do not accept the Christ will be credited with the acts of Jesus upon death. That is my opinion anyway. Christianity has been misconstrued a bit since Jesus' teachings, and some forget what actually is the most important. Jesus said that to love God is the most important commandment. Then to love your neighbors, or everyone. If everyone abided by that, the world would be a GREAT place.
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+1 # david griffin 2013-02-08 22:13
You know... I'm not Jewish... but seriously.... I just love you guys for making this site! I just want to extend the love from your other brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus! You who see the Father see the Son. Amen to you guys!
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0 # Harry 2013-01-16 23:55
Isaiah 9:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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+3 # Mordechai 2012-11-27 18:48
Rich, although it looks like G-D gave room for those who seek pretexts to find them in the Torah, He nevertheless always places the answer nearby: G-D was not one of the angels Avraham saw, for when they left, “Avraham was still standing before HaShem” (Gen. 18:22). Further evidence against the Trinity is that whenever G-D does anything, the language is always "He did," not "they did."
The people saw the great power G-D used against the Egyptians, and how Moshe was the prominent figure, and so they trusted in G-D and in Moshe. There was no command to trust in G-D at that time; that was the logical conclusion. So, too, with the Messiah. We will all see the worldwide changes that will occur surrounding his arrival, like nations no longer teaching war (Isaiah 2:2-4), Judah and Jerusalem dwelling securely (Jeremiah 23:5-6), and the resurrection of the dead (Daniel 12:2). The logical conclusion would be that the Messiah has arrived.
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0 # Sunny 2012-11-28 18:51
What I am wondering is, just because the rest of the prophecies have not been fulfilled YET, how does that mean that Jesus could NOT be the Messiah. It seems like the only way Jewish people will believe in the Messiah, is when ALL of the prophecies are fulfilled AT ONE TIME..... where in the bible does it say they will all come true at one time? how would that even be possible? If Jesus comes back and fulfills the REST of the prophecies (all world peace, etc....) then would that satisfy? That would make him the Messiah even now. Ore are you saying there is no way Jesus will ever be able to come back, and thus be the Messiah? I am just trying to understand the arguments.
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-1 # Mordechai 2012-11-26 17:37
Nowhere does it says G-D doesn't sin, so there must be yet another message, a message alluded to in the words "G-D is not a man."
And still absent is why there is no command to accept or believe in the Messiah when he arrives.
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0 # Rich Robinson 2012-11-27 17:15
Quoting from an essay I wrote:

Benjamin Sommer is professor of Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages at Jewish Theological Seminary in New York, where Conservative rabbis are ordained. In 2009 he wrote a book with the somewhat disturbing-sounding title, The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel. “The startling or bizarre idea in the Hebrew Bible,” he says, “is . . . not that God has a body—that is the standard notion of ancient Israelite theology—but rather that God has many bodies located in sundry places in the world that God created.” When he invokes his ideas to explain Genesis 18—where one of the three visitors to Abraham appears to shift between being a man and being God—we find an unexpected affinity with those who appeal to this passage to demonstrate the biblical roots of the Trinity and Incarnation.

Significantly, Sommer concludes:

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This study forces a reevaluation of a common Jewish attitude toward Christianity. Some Jews regard Christianity’s claim to be a monotheistic religion with grave suspicion, both because of the doctrine of the trinity (how can three equal one?) and because of Christianity’s core belief that God took bodily form. What I have attempted to point out here is that biblical Israel knew very similar doctrines, and these doctrines did not disappear from Judaism after the biblical period. . . . The only significant theological difference between Judaism and Christianity lies not in the trinity or in the incarnation but in Christianity’s revival of the notion of a dying and rising God, a category ancient Israel clearly rejects. (italics added)
While Sommer rejects Jesus as Messiah on other grounds, his linkage of the Hebrew Bible with the Trinity and Incarnation cuts across the grain of traditional Jewish thought.
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0 # Rich Robinson 2012-11-27 17:18
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Exodus 14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the LORD displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the LORD and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.
"Trust in" is האמין ב. God expects us to trust in Him and His servants. Do you really need a command?
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0 # joe 2012-11-30 04:02
well, thanks for giving me credit for answering the question. You implied that only God had the answer. You actually dodged the question.
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-1 # joe 2012-11-30 04:03
Also, If Jesus was actually the messiah, I would believe in him.
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+1 # Phil 2012-11-27 21:23
Is there a command to accept or believe the prophets who delivered God’s word? If we reject God’s prophets aren’t we rejecting God? IF no command to accept or believe in the Messiah was given wouldn't God still require us to? Wouldn’t God want His people to accept and believe in His representative who He anoints and sends to save His people? Why did David accept Saul? Wasn’t it because he was God’s anointed (1 Sam 24:6)?
Moshe said in Deut 18:15: "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him." Isn’t that a command? Is this prophet the Messiah? What does Moshe mean by saying, ‘a prophet like me…’? What was Moshe like? Wasn’t he was the sole intermediary between God and His people (Deut 18:16)? Didn’t Israel reject Moshe the first time he acted to deliver them (Ex 2:14)? Didn’t God deliver Israel from slavery by Moshe’s hand thereafter? Won’t the Messiah deliver Israel out of the hands of all her enemies?
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0 # Amanda 2013-05-04 04:20
Hi Mordechai! I am Amanda. I am a Gentile Christian. I have always considered myself a Christian, but I have not always been one. You have made some good points. You talked about the importance of trying to obey God's commandments. I do not think it is doable, but I do believe that it is important to try. I believe that if we really love God we will at least try to obey His commands. I am not gonna try to offer you proof that Jesus is the Messiah, because to be honest, I am still learning how to evangelize. If you would let me though, I would like to share with you how I came to know Jesus as my Savior. Comment if you would like to hear it.
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0 # Junebug 2013-06-28 14:24
Quoting Amanda:
Hi Mordechai! I am Amanda. I am a Gentile Christian. I have always considered myself a Christian, but I have not always been one. You have made some good points. You talked about the importance of trying to obey God's commandments. I do not think it is doable, but I do believe that it is important to try. I believe that if we really love God we will at least try to obey His commands. I am not gonna try to offer you proof that Jesus is the Messiah, because to be honest, I am still learning how to evangelize. If you would let me though, I would like to share with you how I came to know Jesus as my Savior. Comment if you would like to hear it.

I'd love to hear how you came to know Jesus! Please share.
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+1 # dani3lla 2014-03-10 20:44
From all the passages that God is a Holy God, you still say that? WE fall short of His Glory because WE are sinful, not because He is.
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-1 # Rich Robinson 2012-11-26 17:29
Because it's comparing God's flawless character to ours.
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0 # Mordechai 2012-11-26 17:27
Context says G-D is not a man. If all we needed was that G-D doesn't lie or change His mind, it could have simply said so. Why say G-D is not a man or the son of man if that's not the case?
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-1 # Mordechai 2012-11-26 16:33
Tim, if G-D's whole salvation program is that we believe in and accept the Messiah when he arrives, why is there no Biblical source for it? As I mentioned earlier, G-D tells us what He wants His children to do, like avoid certain relationships (Lev. 20), be upright in judicial matters (Ex. 23), and keep the Sabbath (Ex. 20, et al), so why does G-D never command us to believe in the Messiah? Similarly, why do Trinitarian Christians--like Jews for Jesus--say that G-D is a man when the Torah (Num. 23 and 1 Sam. 15:29) says clearly G-D is not a man?
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+1 # Rich Robinson 2012-11-26 17:09
Num. 23 and 1 Sam. 15:29 say God is not a man that he can *lie.* It's talking about God's character. Context, context, context, context.
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0 # Tim 2012-11-24 03:25
A must listen for Jews who have questions about Jesus being the messiah, Dr. Michael Rydelnik is one of the most knowledgable Messianic Jews i have ever heard. He hosts a radio show called "Open Line" where listeners can call in and ask questions. I strongly recommend listening...and asking :)
Keep asking and it shall be given to you; keep searching and you shall find; keep knocking and the delet shall be opened to you. Mattityahu 7:7-11 For everyone asking receives, and the one searching finds, and to the one knocking the delet will be opened. Or what man is there among you the ben of whom will ask for lechem (bread), and he will give him a stone. Or if he asks for a dag (fish), will give him a nachash (snake)? Therefore, if you, being ra’im (evil ones), know to give matanot tovot (good gifts) to your yeladim, how much more does your Av shbaShomayim give hatov (the good) to the ones asking Him.
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0 # Mordechai 2012-10-16 17:21
I made a mistake. I meant to say that in all the Servant Songs, from Isaiah 40 to 52, whenever the Servant is identified, it is Israel. The Servant is not explicitly identified in 53, but context shows the Servant is still Israel.
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0 # Phil 2012-11-10 01:17
Hi Mordecai,

I've enjoyed reading your almost-7-years-worth -of posts on the JfJ site. What's the deal? In this time has no modern day 'Appollos' been found who 'refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.' (Acts 18:28)?

I tried to email you at but got a delivery failure notice. Would you care to provide a working email address?

Regards,
Phil
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0 # Mordechai 2012-10-12 22:28
Lauren, the word “pierce” is absent from Isaiah 53. Instead of looking only at chapter 53, why not start from 40? 53 is the only Servant Song in which the Servant is identified, and it's always Israel (41:8-9, 45:4, et al). On what basis do you assert that 53 is suddenly speaking about anybody else? Your own quoted text further proves that 53 cannot be speaking of a single person, namely Jesus. 53:8: “because of the transgression of my people a plague befell them.” The word at the end of the verse, “lamo,” means “them,” not “him.” How do I know? Everywhere else the Torah says “lamo” it means “them” (Job 6:19, Psalms 2:4, Isaiah 48:21). 53 speaks of Israel, the afflicted nation (Psalms 18:28).
Hundreds of unidentified witnesses mean nothing. All we really have to base the resurrection on is the gospels, and even they can’t get the story straight.
Adrienne, excellent point. Jesus calls John the Baptist Elijah (Matthew 11:13-14), but when asked, John said he wasn’t (John 1:21).
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-5 # Adrienne 2012-10-06 15:39
He's not the messiah - the world would have ended. The Christians changed it to him dying for sins but that's what the job of messiah was.

About the prophet that comes before the messiah...did we all forgot about him?

No one had to die for Hasem to forgive people - that is what Yom Kippur is for - hello?

It's a very pagan blood sacrifice drinking the blood of Christ, G-d didn't want you drinking anyone's blood - that's awful - in fact G-d didn't even talk to Jesus once - not like he did to Moses.

Also, Jesus said he was not here to change the Law....that's Jewish law people - what kind of Jew was he if he didn't speak Hebrew?

I wonder if Jesus even clearly stated he was the messiah or if politics just made him as such.

Christianity is anti-semantic if you ask me.
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0 # Leonard 2014-03-19 05:30
Adrienne, When G-d asked Abraham to sacrifice his son whom he loved, Isaac asked his farther, "where is the lamb for the sacrifice?, Abraham told Isaac that the LORD would provide the lamb..Ex11all firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, to the firstborn son of female slave.G-d spared those who painted lambs Blood on doorposts from death. Lev17 the life of a creature is in the blood, I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.G-d's Son's blood being poured out for our sins to make peace betwen man and G-d.He provide His own Son as a sacrifice for our transgressions and remove the barrier between Himself and us.The G-d of Israel has reconciled Himself to the world through His Son. G-d has provided His Son for the sacrifice, His blood is atonement for those who enter into his new covenant, which is by faith in Christ.Our Heavenly Father went to extremes save you and reconcile you until Himself.
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0 # Lauren 2012-10-04 17:44
It is so awesome to come here to see so many people accepting Yeshua!

For those still on the fence, look at the Bible this way; It is said that the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. It all points towards Christ. If you just get down what "Jesus did on the cross" and that HE was THE sacrifice, you will get it. Isaiah 53 explains it all.
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+1 # Mordechai 2012-09-21 20:24
Rich, the Torah tells us exactly which proofs to look for, such as peace (Isaiah 2:4), knowledge of G-D (11:9), and G-D’s Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Jeanne, if proofs didn’t matter, G-D wouldn’t have told us to test prophets with proofs (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). Jesus offered a proof (3 days 3 nites--Mt 12) that never came about (3d/2n--Mt 27, 28). Also, if Jesus knew he was going to die, why didn’t he want to (26:39)? How could his disciples not have known about it (16:21-23)? If it was his mission, he was clearly not forsaken, yet he thought he was (27:46)?

Caitlyn, the gospel says 500 people, but nothing more. What good are unidentified, unverifiable witnesses? All we have are the disciples, “but some doubted” (28:17).
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0 # brother 2012-08-14 18:27
the proof that i have is that i died and i was ressurected frm death by Christ.............t his is what truelly tell me that HE is the CHRIST
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0 # Caitlyn 2012-07-02 16:24
@ Camelio
on comment #135
How, possibly, if the deciples stole the body of Jesus, then was he sighted by HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE from the day he died to forty days after, living and breathing (sort of)? He died in front of everyone, but was ressurected without witness because he wanted true believers in Him and in the Lord to proclaim his truth. If people didn't see it, they would be forced to either believe in the word of the deciples or not believe. There's just too much proof that Jesus really was Messiach/the Messiah. Open the Bible and take a look! :D
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+1 # Lauren 2012-10-04 17:48
Caitlyn, there were witnesses. Hope this helps. : )

Peter said (2:31-32) he saw Jesus before the resurrection and "God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact." (Also read Acts 3:15,4:33, 10:39-41.)

However, the apostles were not the only ones who saw the risen Jesus. Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James were the first (Mark 16). Paul lists several witnesses in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8. Among Jesus' disciples, there were 500 other witnesses. And the Jewish Law of Moses required at least two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6).
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+2 # Mordechai 2012-06-29 20:08
@Somebody
Yes, Isaiah 53 is referring to a plurality:
"...an affliction upon *them* that was my people's sin." (v 8)

We see examples of the many being referred to in singular language (e.g. Exodus 19:2), but we never see a single person referred to as many people, like you are professing here.
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+1 # Lauren 2012-10-04 17:58
Mordechai:

He was pierced (his hands and feet) for our transgressions,

By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,

You have to understand G-d was not happy with His people at the time because they would not accept His son. No one protested. The Jews put him on the cross. He wasn't accepted. I really hope this helps you understand.
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+1 # BK 2012-05-15 00:58
Jeremiah 31:31,32.
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0 # Somebody 2012-05-12 23:28
@Camelio
Do you think that the wise Jewish authorities and priests who persecuted Jesus in the whole of his ministry and His disciples after that, would overlook this posibility? I'm sure they wouldn't, that's why they asked Pilate for the tomb to be guarded by soldiers.
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0 # Somebody 2012-05-12 23:15
@Mordechai
Yes He was fully aware, but confronted at what's to come, Jesus wished He wouldn't endure it if it was possible (taking the whole pain,shame,sin of everyone ever who waited on this or who are alive or who are yet to be born, probably isn't an easy task, followed by being left by everyone you cared about and being beaten to then, then finally hanging for hours in pain while you're nailed to a wooden cross, but asked His Father to be His will. But He knew perfectly what should have happened.) But knowing this is the only way, He accepted it, because He loves God and us. I'm sure if you were on His position or if anyone else is on His position, they'd react the same.
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0 # Somebody 2012-05-12 23:08
@Mitch
No it was not plural. It's obvious verses 1-8 speak about a single person. See the 4th verse of Isaiah 53?

"Surely he had borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."

The word "he" here is:
היא הוּא
hû' hı̂y'
hoo, he
The second form is the feminine beyond the Pentateuch; a primitive word, the third person pronoun singular, he (she or it); only expressed when emphatic or without a verb; also (intensively) self, or (especially with the article) the same; sometimes (as demonstrative) this or that; occasionally (instead of copula) as or are: - he, as for her, him (-self), it, the same, she (herself), such, that (. . . it), these, they, this, those, which (is), who.

Or in simple words -> "not plural" :)
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+10 # Brian Carter 2012-01-23 16:15
I enjoyed reading this article very much. I'm a Messionic Jew by blood line. My mother's family moved to the New World around 1830's from Germany. They then moved from New York to Missouri jsut after arriving in this country. Since there were'nt any Jews there they began going to a Christian church. I've always heard the stories of the Christian Church and at the age of 10 became a born again Christian. I have reseach the Bible all my life and at age 62 found this araticle very insightful no only to people like myself who's faith is bound by both Hebrew Bible and the New Testament Bible. Thank You for provide a website that bridges both worlds into the Christian faith.
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-12 # Camelio 2011-08-31 10:46
I disagree in your defense of the disciples. They are the perfect candidates to steal the body. With no body in the tomb they obtain a level of credbility. Those who did not believe may start to entertain them. If a body was found then the Jewish community might turn on them stating that they made things worse between them and the Romans. The disciles needed the body not to be found they needed it to survive. They could carry this secret to their graves and live longer or be ashamed and die quicker. Most importantly Jesus died in the fron of everyine why didn't he arise in the front of everyone. The disciples had the money to pay of the guards and take the body. What would be their punishment for looking the next way when no body be produced.
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+2 # tricia 2013-02-13 14:53
Camelio, All the Apostles were martyred for Christ. Would you be martyred for a sham. No they would have been back to Judaism and their day jobs.
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+3 # Richard Woerner 2013-02-25 04:03
If you had an understanding of Roman law, you might rethink that rebuttal. 1) A roman seal was placed on the tomb, anyone caught breaking that seal ould be put to death. 2) A guard was placed there as well, if that guard was caught sleeping are leaving his post would be put to death. 3) the stone was too big and heavy, how many people would it have taken to move it so quiet as to not be noticed by the guard, they then would be put to death. 4) The disciples went off hiding becasue of fear of retaliation from the Jewish leaders, they did not go near the tomb. And as for Jesus not rising in front of people, my 4 points answer that, but He did appear to the disciples and 500 others, so what is more important the actual rising in front of someone or the fact that He did rise as made appearences? Matt16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. - What sign???
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+1 # Mordechai 2011-03-30 11:14
@Brent Matthew 26 would then pose a theological problem on two counts: 1. Jesus seems to admit that he was not God. Yet JfJ say he is. We clearly have him of different mind than God. 2. Matthew 16:21-23 says that Jesus knew he was supposed to die. When Peter protests, saying it shouldn't happen, J replies, "you do not have in mind the concerns of God,..." But when it came close to dying, J didn't want to? Wasn't he fully aware that this was the plan, according to Christian teachings?
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0 # Mitch 2011-03-29 20:36
I do not profess to be at all knowledgeable in any Bible, but I'm confused as to your sources. Mic 5 says that the origins of the Messiah are from Bethlehem, not that the Messiah himself would be from there. Zec 9 would include every person in history born in Bethlehem and who rode to Jeru. on a donkey (which would include a lot of people, I imagine). Isa 53 seems to exclude Jesus since the prophet speaks of a plurality of people (the word "lamo" at the end of v. 8 is plural, see also Psa 2:4, 78:24). Also, where is your source that Shabbtai Tzvi or Bar Kochba were born in Bethlehem? According to you, they must have been; otherwise, they would not have been at all considered as messiahs. Finally, since you believe in a 2nd coming, why are you so quick to rule out Shabbtai Tzvi or Bar Kochba? Maybe they'll fulfill the "2nd coming" element? Why base a religion around Jesus?
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0 # Brent 2011-03-16 04:45
@ Mordechai you said "Also, the end of the Psalm asks G-D to "deliver my soul from the sword" and "save me from the lion's mouth". Did Jesus ask to be saved?" and the answer is yes he did Matthew 26:39 "And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will." (ESV translation)
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-1 # Luz 2011-01-04 11:57
I have seen a lot of arguments on the issue of "God is only one" I ask to myself if God does not want us Christian or Jews to believe in Jesus: Why does God tell us that a Messiah was going to come? I think that if you denied this part of the bible you are declaring that God is lying and God does not lie.
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+5 # Dick 2010-08-25 21:14
As this article states at the onset. If your mind is already made up regardless of which way it will be of no use to you. This article is for the true searcher looking for a massiah or savior. It presents the facts clearly and you are free to choose for yourself what you will believe and who you will follow. As for me and my household we will follow the Lord Jesus.
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+2 # Karla 2010-05-02 13:46
Mordechai: Greetings and Blessings in the name of Jesus! In Deuteronomy 18:15 Moses said, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him." (NLT) (Notice its not a suggestion but command) Then he tells the people that they will know he was sent by God if his prophecies come true. If they don't, then he was a fake. But if they DO come true then he's the real McCoy. So if you heed Moses' advice when the Messiah comes you would identify him and follow his instructions. Hope this helps!
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0 # Cathy Jolivet 2010-01-05 22:01
I thouroughly enjoyed this essay; it was presented logically and in an easy-to-read style. Thank you; this essay helped my daughter to complete an assignment with is insight and thoughtfulness.
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+5 # Mordechai 2009-04-23 01:26
What gets lost in all this is that the Torah does say a lot about what G-D wants HIS children to do: Don't lie with one's sister (Lev 20:17), Don't gossip (Lev 19:16), Don't work on the Sabbath (Exo 20:10), etc. However, where in the Torah does it say that when the messiah arrives we should believe in him? If, indeed, G-D's whole plan is exactly that, why is the Torah deafeningly silent on that matter?
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+1 # Hayley 2008-01-16 18:16
In the Jewish faith, we believe that the word of God was given in the form of the Torah. If the Torah is God’s only direct commands to his people, how could there emerge a second, newer testimony as written down by Luke, Matthew, and the other Apostles as Moses did on Sinai? If there is only one word of God, then there is no Old and New Testament, but only one testament as given to Moses. The Christians coined the phrases ‘Old and New Testament’ because they believe that a new divine occurrence happened with the Jesus’ birth as the Son of God. However, Judaism believes in monotheism and God cannot be split into three separate beings (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) which is, by definition, polytheistic. Therefore, the “New Testament” being the ‘sequel’ to the “Old Testament” is directly counter to any Jewish doctrine. The watchword of the Jewish faith is the Shema, found in the Torah, which states, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One”, not “the Lord is Three”.
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+1 # bob 2013-11-12 19:43
hi
You are sadly mistaken. Early pre- christian Jewish thought also included the thought that the Messiah would be not only be the Son of David, but also the Divine Son of God. There are many allusions to this fact in the Targums, Jewish apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha, Dead Sea Scrolls etc. Jewry was not united at all in a common belief about the Messiah, both then and now. Todays Rabbinic Judaism is just as divided. Right did the prophet say; " ever learning and not able to come to a knowlege of the truth".
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+3 # benjamin 2007-11-29 19:38
May Jehovah the maker of heaven, earth, and hell bless all of you and your homes from here until he comes again. We shouldn't argue about scripture because in Timothy it mentions avoiding that, whatever your stance may we find the truth within our Creator each and every one of us-with love in Jesus the Christ, the One true Messiah, the Rock of my salvation, the Redeemer of my people, the Lion of Judah, and the Lamb of God as the everlasting sacrifice for our sins.
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+3 # Fylicia'Marie 2007-07-25 21:50
First, this is a really cool site. I was reading Luke 19:42-44 which seemed to show IF NOTHING ELSE (though I believe in much more) that Jesus was indeed a prophet as he foretold of "Israel's" woes that we see today with its enemies rising against it. It got me to wondering why Jews don't believe Jesus to be the Messiah or at the very minimum as is the case with Muslims, a prophet. That's what led me to this site and I must say, I'm TOTALLY in awe and appreciate the dialogue these topics create. I did have a point that I wanted to make about all those people who say that Jesus disregarded Jewish law as unimportant or unnecessary.
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+1 # Manuel Lopez 2007-05-22 23:13
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, because he was mentioned a lot in the Christian Bible from the New Testament. He healed the sick, restored the blind from people, cleansed the people of their sins, and helped those to believe in him even more.
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+4 # PJ 2007-05-01 22:38
To those who have accepted the message of the cross it is the most awsome, splended, stupendous, glorious event in history to have ever taken place. However, to those who have not accepted it, it is the most offensive thing that can fall on their ears. The Christian message is this: that Jesus is who he claimed to be. That God is loving, just and holy. All are sinners and deserve punishment. Jesus(Yeshua)was resurrected from the dead(not simply raised back to mortal life as Lazarus was). Thus destroying the power of death and the grave. And to submit to Jesus and put your trust in him. True Shalom from PJ in Christ!
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+5 # Anabell 2007-04-01 17:01
all i'm going to say is that lights should go up when 2000+years have passed and we are still talking about this man who came and changed the history of humanity forever......I dont see people commenting and arguing about other people who are seen as "false prophets". Ask yourself why if he was just a regular guy, regular joe schmoe does his name still resound just as loud as 2000 years in the human timeline.
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+2 # Rich 2007-03-31 03:55
To Alana, That is what rabbinic tradition teaches about the Messiah. The Tanakh on the other hand says he will die as an atonement for our sins, among other things. And it says nothing about the "father's side." And Jesus did not contradict the Torah, he did contradict some of the traditions of the day. If you are going to argue against Jesus, get your facts straight.
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0 # Alana 2007-03-30 17:10
(I quote) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH Jesus was not a prophet. DESCENDENT OF DAVID According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David. According to the Christian claim, Jesus was the product of a virgin birth. thus he could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! C. TORAH OBSERVANCE The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. Sor ry, you're not convincing many.
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+2 # david 2007-03-27 13:25
How can you cite evidence in the New Testament as a qualification for being a Jew who believes in Jesus as the Messiah? Jews specifically do not believe in, nor use the New Testament. In fact, many Jewish beliefs (such as the laws of Kashrut) are disregarded in the New Testament (Jesus himself does this). How can you be Jewish and keep kosher when you believe in both Testaments??? Its a logical impossibility. Also, in Romans Paul talks about respecting the Jews since Hashem has a plan for them, but not to become Christians!!! Coming from a very observant Jewish young man, if you are going to continue purporting these beliefs on this site, please call yourselves Christians, because it is impossible to call yourselves Jews
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+3 # Jennifer 2007-03-25 16:47
I don't believe that you can intellectualize the Messiahship of Yeshua. I didn't become a true believer of Him until I submitted to the Holy Spirit. Only the Holy Spirit can speak the truth to the unbeliever. We believers need to pray that the Holy Spirit will convict the unbelievers of their sin and force the believer to repent. Prayer is the answer, not debate, in my opinion. Shalom!
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+1 # ephrayim levi 2007-03-20 10:08
WRONG! Those are not evidence, does this group even read the Talmud and gemmara... The qualifications for Moshaiach are in Deuteronomy...Jesus did none of the qualifications, and besides the point, he calls us children of the devil in the new testament.....
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+4 # Tina 2007-02-07 08:17
I love the Jewish people so much. Jesus is the one who -- in an instant -- changed me from an alcoholic, a drug addict, a sexual loose cannon and one full of profanity of speech into a moral and repentant person, full of love for all mankind. That is the testimony of Jesus. He does give PEACE. Not only that, but it is Peace that lasts. All over the world, for as many that receive Jesus/Yeshua into their hearts, He does give them the Peace that passes understanding. The prostitutes and drug addicts lives instantly change. Those who were blind, both physically and spiritually, as they surrender to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the Lamb of God, the Great I AM, are healed. Some do not get the instant deliverance that I received. Some have to struggle. I am not perfected yet either, of course. I struggle with other things in my walk with God. But Jesus/Yeshua saves -- for me, since 1983 with no backsliding -- and so Jesus/Yeshua keeps. Will you sincerely reach out to Him?
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+2 # DONN 2007-01-09 11:41
I've read the comments and it is good to debate this issue. Regardless of if there is proof of or none, I believe it all boils down to FAITH. What you believe in is good for you what others believe is good for them. I do, however, see a trend in the two major group of responders that worries me. One side seems to be cool and calm, stating facts and "pleading their case." The other side seems agitated and annoyed that the other cannot/does not/will not see their point of view. My thought was that this comment area should be used to discuss not bad mouth. Just remember in the end we are all still humans. The only time we shall discover if our beliefs are real is when we pass over. Now please continue the discussions. I am in awe of the knowedge of scripture on both sides of the fence. Thank you.
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0 # DONN 2007-01-08 10:02
After reading the article, I still have to ask, "What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?" You do list qualifications but do not explain how he fulfilled them. please elucidate.
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0 # Ashleigh 2006-12-31 19:40
I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus is the Messiah with no doubts. I do however respect the Jews and what they were taught. I do however, feel that the Jews should take a look at the New Testament and find out for themselves what they really believe. In other words I think they should seek out the truth. Christians are not against Jews, all we want to do is the show the love of our life, Jesus. No matter what religion we are, we are all chlidren of God. And all we need to do is accept His Son. The cool thing is you can keep your Jewish roots and have Jesus as your savior. So I encourage all Jews to at least give Christ a chance. If it weren't for Him we would be burning is the fires of hell.
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+1 # John 2006-12-26 11:13
All the so called "unfulfilled" prophecies were related to the second coming of Jesus in which Jesus (Know as the suffering Messiah) will return as a Lion of Judea. That time Zechariah 12:10 "..They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son"
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0 # Rachel 2006-12-20 15:25
This is completely wrong, The torah says that the massiah would bring world wide peace...i still see wars..duhh there are also other requirements the Jesus did not fulfill- all jews should be living in israel right now and the temple should be rebuilt too if he was truly the messiah so CLEARLY hes not
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+1 # Brianroy 2006-11-24 12:31
Twice - in Ezekiel 14:14,20: Though Noah, Daniel, & Job were here...these righteous men would only be able to atone for their own souls by their own righteousness; and no other...be they son or daughter. Jesus only can atone for Israel in past, present, and future to the forevers of eternity. Shalom.
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+1 # Gina 2006-11-21 19:31
This comment is for Neil Marks concerning his post on October 29, 2006. We must consider that Nineveh's repentence was only temporary as the prophecies in Nahum and Zephaniah came to fruition after Jonah. Obviously repentance should be followed by obedience or it is not true repentance. Sacrifice was designed to be an act of obedience that followed repentance of the heart. Apparently Nineveh did not have repentance of heart so sacrifice would not have done them any good anyway!
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0 # Gina 2006-11-21 19:13
This comment is for Stephen who left a message on August 2, 2006. I think you will find Numbers 25 interesting as I did. Read it and focus on verses 6-8 and then 11-15. You will find that God accepts Phinehas' act of driving a spear through Zimri and Cozbi an acceptable atonement for the nation. The plague immediately stopped and God made a covenant with Phinehas for this righteous act. Check it out and post your thoughts.
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0 # Mordechai 2006-11-14 21:36
Harold, what are you talking about? Which prophecies concerning the messiah (not just random prophecies) are "outdated"? My question for you is how you think Jesus could have been the messiah when he didn't fulfill several key prophecies, such as Isaiah 11:6. Or are you saying these no longer apply for some bizarre reason even though they presently remain unfulfilled?
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+1 # Harold Garner 2006-11-13 12:31
I believe the most significant fact about prophecy about the Messiah is that the conditions for fulfillment do not exist any more. How could any present or future Messiah fulfill any of these prophecies?
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-10-31 19:19
Justice and mercy are opposites. Judaism acknowledges this, which is why we ask G-D to deal with us with mercy rather than justice. G-D, who has the attrivute of Mercy, gave us the means to repent. However, the Torah’s rules for atonement via sacrifice only applied to unintentional sins (Lev 4, Num 15:27-31), with the exception of one who stole, lied, etc. and admitted his guilt and rectified what he had done (Lev 5 or 6--the asham--depending on your source). If, however, the sinner was caught instead of stepping forth to confess, he is still able to mend his ways and return to G-D, but is not given the medium of sacrifice. Proof we are forgiven without sacrifice: Deut 4:26-31; I Kings 8:46-50; Isaiah 55:7; Jer 7:3-23; Ezek 18:1-23; Hosea 6:6, 14:2-3; Micah 6:6-8; Prov 16:6. If you still want to discuss this, please e-mail me () as this section is getting quite crowded.
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+3 # Neil Marks 2006-10-29 05:25
Joseph, Have you ever read the book of Jonah? (forgiven w/o sacrifice).Also, you cannot possibly have a set of laws for a nation in a tiny book without the tradition that Moses received with it. David, Maybe you should obtain a reliable translation of the Bible and see why your 116 'proofs' boil down to nothing.
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+1 # Joseph 2006-10-22 13:31
Mordechai, Have you ever read the Torah. People were stoned for not following the Sabbath. Why dont you practice stoning? PERFECT justice and repentence do not go hand in hand. Justice and mercy are opposites. Scape goats and sacrifices were always used as a means to take away sin. Thats why the destruction of the temple in 70CE was so devastating. If you read the Torah with an open mind, you will clearly see a need for an eternal sacrifice. Orthodox Jews dont follow the Torah, they follow the Rabbinic traditions. Prove to me using Torah that sin can be abolished without sacrifice.
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-10-11 00:27
Define perfect? Entirely without fault or defect. If perfect justice means upholding the judicial system, and the judicial system declares that one who sins must repent or face punishment, then what is the problem? If we sincerely repent, G-D’s Mercy spares us from undergoing punishment. If not, G-D uses HIS Attribute of Judgment to punish. So we see that there is a consequence for a sinner: repentance or punishment. That seems like a perfect judicial system to me. Your test score example is a poor analogy because you are trying to tell me about the judicial system, not a person subject to the system. But your analogy would work like this: If I get 99/100 but I apologized and regretted getting that one answer wrong and resolved not to err on any others, then I would be perfect, for the incorrect answer would then no longer be held against me.
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+2 # Mordechai 2006-10-09 13:53
Brianroy, I see what you are saying, but the bottom line here is that when Isaiah prophesied about Bavel he meant Bavel. Is there a connection between Bavel and Iran? Maybe. We’ll just have to wait and see, but Isaiah, regardless of any connections between Bavel and Iran (which are few, since Bavel was a world power and Iran is still fighting for that title), was clearly speaking of Bavel and only Bavel. Gen. 49:10 is not regarded as triune, there are just differing opinions. I don’t know which commentator said it “begins with King David”, but wouldn’t that go well with Rashi who maintains it speaks of the Messiah? And if one agrees with the above, why would it follow that one agrees that Jesus gathered an assemblage of nations? Which nations did Jesus gather? Lam. 4:20: Rashi and the gemara in Ta’anit (22) say this is King Josiah. Why did you mention it?
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-1 # Joseph 2006-09-27 09:24
If I get 100/100 on three tests in a row and then 99/100 on the fourth, am I perfect. NO! Define perfect. Perfection means constantly or a constant. You know kind of like the earth always revolves around the sun. PERFECT justice means constantly upholding the judicial system. If you are forgiven then that means you sinned with no consequence. That is mercy and not perfect justice/law. You said w/o forgiveness, "the world would not survive." YOUR RIGHT!!! Jesus saved the world!!!
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0 # Brianroy 2006-09-23 22:04
According to some rabbinic tradition, Genesis 49:10 is triune. While Rashi says Shiloh refers to King Messiah, others say it begins with David, and others say no, Shiloh is referring to students or scholars and rabbis by splitting the word for "rod / sceptre". If you accept the above, you also must accept that to Jesus has gathered the assemblage of nations, as this verse also says. Cf. Lam. 4:20.
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+4 # Mordechai 2006-09-21 16:49
Joseph, Yes, many prophecies are cryptic. Are you saying all the "proofs" you brought still speak of Jesus despite the contextual evidence that they do not? What does the sacrificial system (an animal) have to do with a messiah (a human) especially considering that the Jews do not believe the messiah will be killed in a sacrificial manner? Yes, there is a punishment equal to the crime committed. But the perpetrator is given the ability and time to repent (depending on the crime) and seek forgiveness for what he had done. The ability to give humans the chance to mend their ways is indeed perfect justice. Without that ability, the world could not survive, for G-D knows we are prone to err. One is only punished completely for his sin if one did not seek repentance. That is Justice.
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0 # Brianroy 2006-09-08 17:25
Mordechai, let's use Isa. 13:1-20, Jer. 51:53-57. Not only does this speak of ancient Babylon, but it prophesies of Iran using nukes on the U.S. during the invasion of Israel in Daniel 9:27, on Day 1290 of the coming peace treaty (Dan. 12:11). Cf. Ez. 38:5 shows Iraq will be swallowed by Iran as New Persia. This is dual: ancient and latter day. If you can't see this one...oy.
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0 # Joseph 2006-09-06 19:51
If G-D shows mercy and forgives us then that means that He does not punish us as we deserve. If G-D is infinite then that means that he is ALL qualities at the same time. How can G-D be perfect mercy and perfect justice AT THE SAME TIME? It's a contradiction!!! However, if He's infinite then He must have ALL qualities at the same time. Thus, HE cannot show mercy unless your sinces are justly paid for...i.e. sacrificial lamb, read your Torah.
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0 # Joseph 2006-09-06 19:50
Prophecies are done in a cryptic manner. If you look at the sacrificial system of the Torah, it all points at the Messiah. If G-d is perfectly just, that means for every sin we commit, there must be an equal punishment. That's what perfectly just means.
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-09-03 15:31
Brianroy, What you are doing is taking a verse from the Torah and turning it into a prophecy, even when the context itself proves it is not prophetic. Take Exodus 15:6 for example: The Jews are singing G-D’s praises for all HE has done for them, and you just take a verse and apply it to Jesus and say, “See? Jesus is the messiah because he fits a prophecy in Exodus 15”. I do not see many prophecies that are actually dual in nature. Can you show me an example of one? All the prophecies I can think of concern the situation at hand, if they are not actually messianic. Psa 118: David is giving thanks to G-D; "In the Name of HaShem I cut them (the nations) down", "HaShem’s hand is raised triumphantly", and other verses in which David thanks HIM for all he has done, especially verse 22, which refers to I Shmu’el 16. This psalm does not say anything about Jesus.
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+2 # Mordechai 2006-08-30 14:17
Hosea 11:1 / Matt 2:14-15 Matthew gives us a textbook example of taking a verse out of context. Look at Hoshea 11:1: "When Israel was a lad I loved him, and since Egypt I have called to MY son". Your verse shows that Israel is referred to as a man, and that the subject in Hoshea is Israel, not Jesus. Zech 9:9 / Matt 21:1-11 Jesus was never considered king of the Jews by the Jews. The Romans called him so mockingly. Further, in Jesus’ time it wasn’t so uncommon for people to travel by donkey; it was much like us traveling by car. So because he, as well as thousands of other people, entered Jerusalem on a donkey, that makes him the messiah? Did Jesus find the animals (John 12:14) or did his disciples (Matt 21)? Was it one animal (John) or two (Matt)?
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0 # David 2006-08-29 20:27
Dear fellow men and women. As a Gentile, who considers himself a Jew in Christ, I find it difficult to understand why many Jews deliberately refuse to believe in their own God and Saviour of the world. As there are at least 116 fulfilled prophesies in the old Testament concerning Christ. Also, since our Lord's ressurection there has been no other scripture written about any other. Also, our faith, Christianity, is profoundly fundamentally Jewish, seeing that only Hebrews themselves wrote and established these scriptures. And, it is these scriptures which fully agree with and are in complete harmony with the Old Testament. Even the Lord said, ISAIAH :65:15: And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: One thing seems most perfectly clear. Any Jew who refuses to trust in their own Christ, most certainly does not believe in the Holy scriptures!
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-08-29 11:02
Isa 53:3 / John 1:11 Isaiah 53 does not say his own people; it says "men". This chapter is actually what the nations of the world will say when the Jews are raised to their lofty status when the messiah comes. Interestingly, John was speaking of John (verse 6), and not Jesus. Isa 53:1 This doesn’t say anyone was or wasn’t believed, but asks the question rhetorically. Psa 8:2 This psalm appears to be King David speaking of G-D and no one else; "G-D, our Master,...from the mouths of babes You have established strength ("ohz")..." Matthew, or Jesus, mistranslated the psalm and applied it to a random situation. Psa 45:6-7 / Heb.1:8-12 The author of Hebrews decided it was G-D speaking of Jesus, but I don’t think he looked close enough at the psalm, because it begins with "For the Conductor...by the sons of Korach". And verse 2, with Psa 110 in mind, must be a reference to King David.
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-08-28 17:18
Deut 18:15 G-D says there will be other prophets who, like Moshe, who would speak the word of G-D. Jesus, however, wasn't a prophet. Compare Matt 12:40, John 19:31, and John 20. See how many days Jesus was actually in the ground. Psa 110:4 First, keep in mind that the psalm starts with "Regarding David", so it must be talking about him (this works with verse 1, as well). G-D swears that David will be a priest forever “al divrati Malchi-Tzedek”, which literally means “on (according to) my words, Malchi-Tzedek”, who was the original G-D-fearing king in Jerusalem (Gen. 14:18), or "on my words, my king of righteousness". I sa 61:1-2 / Luke 4:18-19 This is Isaiah talking (“…the L-RD has anointed me…”). Luke just says Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah, not that he fulfilled it.
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+1 # Josh 2006-08-26 22:29
Ok, moshen, you go and claim that all people are "realy stupid" and that we all do "there dirty work" because we are all "easly manuplated". Let's say, for argument's sake, that God is an alien. Does that mean none of the events happened? I'll still follow him and his word. Here's a thought: Maybe your doctor is an alien who will slowly poison your mind to do his will. Can you prove otherwise?
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-2 # mohsen 2006-08-25 15:58
Stop this "marketing" of Jesus nonsence and that Yahwhe idiot ( so called jewish god") and for that matter Allah of the Muslims- none of these figures were GODS. They were not supernatural- they were SUPER TECHNOLOGICAL beings from other star systems who transformed us as we appear today and for the time being.No doubt that these supermen control some of us through dreams and visions to do there dirty work like puppets on a string.The human animal is realy stupid in general and so easly manuplated.They actualy do deserve to suffer for their stuipity- so continue to take advantage of them to meet your ends.
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-08-25 15:38
Joseph, Psa. 9:1-2 / Mat. 3:17 I see no connection between your verses. Psalm 9 says nothing about a son. Isaiah 9:1-2 / Mat. 4:13-16 Isaiah 9:1 is actually the last line of the prophecy begun in chapter 8. Matthew even cut that verse into two parts. Look at the verse: “For he was not wearied the first time (the land) was distressed, when Z’vulun and Naftali were exiled, but the last time will be severe.” This refers to II Kings 15 and 17, when the Ten Tribes were exiled. Psalms 78:2-4 This psalm is not saying that someone will eventually speak in parables. This is Asaf speaking, and he will begin with a parable.
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-6 # banbi 2006-08-25 11:41
You people are sick. Jesus was executed by the Romans. His followers devised this hoax so they can make money and have power over people. Then they became real greedy when they saw all of the fools out there and organized a church. sheer genius of the time
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+1 # Brianroy 2006-08-25 02:12
Mordechai, biblical prophecy is often a dual and trinitarian application: the near future, the intermediate future, the end of days. In Micah 5:2 we are dealing with what began as part of the prophecy regarding the coming "First Dominion" of Micah 4:8. What you're doing, is jumping ahead and out of sequence. Further, there are times when the prophecy itself, even if a sentence long, is out of sequence, as if a parenthetical thought pointing off, while the rest of the passage is adjoined (as it were). In Psalm 118:22, the rejected one is whoever the Right Hand is (re:.v.16); which v.15 says is Yeshua / Jesus. He is the deliverer preincarnate of Exodus 15:6. Shalom.
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0 # Joseph 2006-08-23 11:53
Ps.110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. - Heb.1:2,3 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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-1 # Joseph 2006-08-23 11:30
Zec.9:9 Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. (Isa.62:11) - Jn.12:13-14 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, "Hosanna!" "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Blessed is the King of Israel!" Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written. (Mt.21:1-11; Jn.12:12, Mk.11:7-9.)
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-2 # Joseph 2006-08-23 11:27
Declared the Son of God: Ps.2:7, Matt.3:17. Galilean Ministry: Is.9:1-2, Matt.4:13-16. Speak s in Parables: Ps.78:2-4, Matt.13:34-35. A Prophet: Deut.18:15, Jn.6:14, Acts 3:20-22. Priest after the Order of Melchizedek: Ps.110:4, Heb.5:5-6. To bind up the brokenhearted: Is.61:1-2, Luk.4:18-19. Rejected by his own people, the Jews: Is.53:3, John 1:11. Not believed: Is.53:1, John 12:37. Adored by infants: Ps.8:2, Matt.21:15--16. Ano inted and eternal: Ps.45:6-7, Heb.1:8-12. Hos .11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son - Mt.2:14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt. (Mt 2:15) Israel is always referred to as a woman in scripture ( ex. wife, "daughter of zion"), yet here it takes about a man, a son.
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-08-21 17:17
Joseph, Micah 5:2 G-D knew the identity of the ancestor of the messiah, King David, who was born in the Ephrata section of Beit-Lechem, from many, many years prior. Did G-D, at any point in Jesus’ life, eliminate horses and chariots (verse 8)? After all, HE said it will be done "on that day". Psalms 118:22 Does this speak solely of Jesus? It sounds like King David (I Shmu'el 16). Zechariah 11:13 This is Zechariah recalling an event between him and the nation. Why do you feel this is a prophecy that will take place later? Psalms 41:9 Sounds like King David’s life, like avoiding King Shaul and enduring Avshalom’s rebellion. Isaiah 53:7 People seemed to have desired and had regard for Jesus (Mat 4:25, 7:28, Luk 2:52, etc.), but not Isaiah’s subject (verse 2). Also, Jesus did open his mouth (Mat 27:46). Isaiah 50:6 This, verses 4-9, is Isaiah talking, and not a prophecy. You think Jesus could honestly say verse 7?
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+3 # Stephen 2006-08-02 14:49
Rabbi Tovia: In the 18th chapter of Ezekiel: A righteous person cannot die vicariously for the sins of the wicked. This notion was identified as thoroughly pagan and was to be avoided by the Jewish people at all costs, and is taught emphatically throughout the 18th chapter of Ezekiel. In verses 20-23 the prophet declares that repentance alone provides full forgiveness of sin. Never are blood-sacrifices or the veneration of a crucified messiah mentioned throughout Ezekiel's thorough and inspiring discourse on sin and atonement. The Jewish people were warned throughout the Torah never to offer human sacrifices. When Moses offered to have his name removed from the Torah in exchange for the sin that the Jewish people had committed with the golden calf the Almighty abruptly refused Moses' offer.3 Moses who was righteous with regard to the golden calf could not suffer vicariously for the sin of the nation. Rather only the soul that sinned would endure judgment.
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+1 # Joseph 2006-07-23 11:24
Micah 5:2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." "The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone." -Psalm 118:22 Judas betrayed the Messiah... So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter -Zechariah 11:13 Even my familiar friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me. -Psalm 41:9 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth. -Isaiah 53:7 I gave My back to those who struck Me, and My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard; I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. -Isaiah 50:6
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+4 # Mordechai 2006-07-20 11:34
Marcello, your proof that he is the messiah leaves much to be desired. All the false messiahs died, even Jesus. The gospels couldn't seem to agree on how to tell the resurrection story, so they differ greatly on some crucial points (such as who went to the tomb, who was in the tomb, where Jesus supposedly went afterwards). Jesus is not G-D because Jesus constantly spoke of his G-D, even until his dying moment. You want proof he was not the messiah? The Temple is in ruins; the Jews are still scattered; all the Jews are not obeying G-D's Laws; not all peoples even know G-D exists, let alone worship HIM.
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-4 # Marcello 2006-07-18 23:05
All the false Messiahs died, but only the real One ressurected from the dead. Proofs, unanswered questions, we need to believe in the unseen, because God is our creator and Jesus is God himself. Love Him, pray to Him, talk to Him. You will get your answers, You will feel His Love. He is here now with all of us. He is not asking you to believe, you are free to choose. He died and set us Free, With His Love, He gave us live. Feel it. He has an unconditional love towards us. He Love us, It doesn't matter if you believe or not. Are You not sure if He is the Messiah? Do You want a proof? You are here now, if He is not the Messiah you wouldn't be here. I'm here now. His Love, His life, His wounds, give me Life. Thanks.
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+2 # Mordechai 2006-07-14 11:48
Brianroy: Shabbat and milah are both essential to Judaism. I’m not sure what your concern is in Joshua, for it seems they couldn’t even enter the Land without a milah. And battles for the conquest of the Land override Shabbat. Your answer sounds very nice. Unfortunately, gematria does not establish law, so you’d still need to show me how Jesus was the messiah. There are numerical connections all over the Torah, but I can’t think of any law that is established because of the numerical value of any of the words used.
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0 # Brianroy 2006-07-03 23:48
Mordechai: the whole gematria answer is best found in self study. The Shin and Samekh are phonetically interchangeable, as are the Kaf and Qof. The whole process, as I have said, takes too long; but look at the "sounds" of the language. The whole world was of ONE speech or one tongue, in Babel. Hebrew is as close as we can get to this mother tongue. The emphasis of Scripture is on the "spoken" word. Gematria also deals just as much with what is said, and how it is said, as well as the numerating of the words. This is your key. Sela is a rock / face or jut of a cliff, while Selah is a suspension (of time and space). If in Shiloh (without the yod),Shin is interchanged with Samekh, you have a spelling of Samekh-Lamed-He, or Selah. The value changes, but the connections remain. It may be a little too advanced for you, as it requires talent, discipline, and as a gift of Ruach HaKodesh to the person receiving the talent/gift.
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-06-29 11:12
Paul: What makes you think I am not genuine: because I’m coming from a different perspective? Are you going to write me off because I’m seeking proofs to your claims rather than just accepting them without thinking? Brianroy: So where could I find the whole gematria answer? And a violator of Shabbat is not a lost soul; we generally view him as one who needs help understanding the laws. I think the Rebbe is right. I see no real reason to say the laws in the Torah are not applicable nowadays. It seems the only thing Jesus’ death terminated was his own life. Also, salvation was not only based on faith; it was usually determined by works. For example, Josh. 7: Did the entire nation lack faith? Probably not. G-D’s anger flared up because of what was actually done. Joseph: Any real student of the Torah can see it completely devoid of Jesus. Any attempted connection to him is by taking verses out of context and twisting translations.
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-3 # Joseph 2006-06-21 23:25
The thing about this forum is that you don't really know who's who. I doubt Mary was really a Christian who is starting to doubt questions about her own faith because of Mordechai. How do I know this? Because any real student of the people can clearly see the true meaning of the Hebrew bible and how its linked to Jesus/Y'shua. The bottom line is, the Holy Spirit is real and its influenced so many peoples lives. For the doubters, go research Penetecostalism(beli ef in the modern day Pentecostal Holy Spirit experience). There are many people today who strongly have the anointing of G-d's Spirit.
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+3 # Mary 2006-06-19 21:13
I like Mordechai - He aks good questions. I aint seen many good ansers though. I thinks none of you can give a good anser - maybe because you aint got one. I thouht I was a good Christion and Jesus was my Savior - I aint so sure no more. This Mordechai gots me thinkin now and I thinks he knows more an all the rest of you - I've been checkin all he says an its good n true. All of it -He don't lie this one.
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-1 # Lauren 2012-10-04 17:52
Mary, ask me any questions. I am a Christian. Yeshua is most definitely without a question your Messiah.
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0 # Brianroy 2006-06-19 19:02
Mordechai, just so you know, I went to post a short answer to the Gematriac connections in question 1, which is over 6pp., and it is too long to post. The long answer is about 10 times that, and this is for just question #1. As for #3, in today's Orthodoxism, if one violates Shabbat, that one is to be thought upon as if he/she were a lost soul. The late Lubavitcher Rebbe taught that "there can be no real freedom without accepting the precepts of our Torah guiding daily life." And that, "Messhiach is ready to come now. Our part [in order to make him come] is to add in acts of goodness and kindness." In the days of Joshua, and later among the prophets, salvation and the measure of a man's "Jewishness" was not solely based on an outward works of the Law / Torah; but rather, by faith and his heart in this. The Rebbe was also wrong in regards to Jesus. Jesus forever paid our scale debts in eternity upon the Cross. We were unable, by works, to add or take away from that. Shalom.
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0 # Paul 2006-06-17 16:01
Mordechai: Why dont you try to convince an atheist that the torah is true. You won't. When somebody has already made up their mind about something then nothing matters. If you dont believe in Jesus, thats ok. Everybody has different beliefs, but stop asking for evidence unless you're genuine about it.
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-06-16 10:22
Paul: There are some stark differences in your comparisons: *Moses physically led the Jews out of Egypt. Jesus did not physically lead anyone out of anywhere. *When Jesus was born, didn’t Herod only try to kill children under age 2 who were in Bethlehem? *Moses’ staff smote Egypt while Jesus is only thought to use a rod to destroy the nations, seeing as how that hasn’t happened. *The “scapegoat” you speak of was used from Moses until the destruction of the Second Temple, and was not exclusive to one person or era. *I’ve heard Jesus called a lamb, but never a goat. *Again, the Jews were physically redeemed while you’re only speculating on Jesus redeeming people. *In Egypt, the Jews were not to wash in the blood. How can you compare that to your take on Jesus’ blood? *Before the Jewish redemption there was darkness, not after. I still don’t see “overwhelming” evidence, so keep it coming.
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+4 # Mordechai 2006-06-16 10:06
Brianroy: 1: Shiloh=345 Shalom=376 Selah=135 Shabbat=702. Where is there any connection, and how does it relate to priesthood (Kehuna=86)? 2: Prior to Moses, there does not seem to be any rule stating who cannot bring a sacrifice. In fact, there is no such mention of that in Gen., since G-D later said that all Jews can bring one, and many are even required to do so. 3: I don't understand your questions in Joshua 5 and 6. Melissa: You are mistaken. Clear evidence would be convincing should you be able to provide it. You must realize that I am as sincere as all of you. Merely saying I am "willfully ignorant" will do little but show you have no defense.
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0 # Paul 2006-06-15 16:03
the passover represented the last meal before the jews where redeemed(the last supper meal is the passover meal and was christs last supper before the world was redeemed), the angel of death entered the egytian camp and the only ones who were saved where the ones who put the blood of the lamb on their door posts (Jesus is the lamb of God, and those who are washed clean in his blood avoid "the angel of death"), after the hebrew redemtion there was a darkness over the land, after jesus was crucified there was a darkness over the land..... THE OLD TESTAMENT IS GODS WORD CONCEALED, THE NEW TESTAMENT IS GODS WORD REVEALED... If you really want all the evidence of Jesus as Messiah it would be so over whelming that only those who do not want to believe will continue to deny it
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0 # Paul 2006-06-15 16:02
while in the worlderness Moses used a scapecoat which he prayed for the sins of the people and all the sins went in the goat and it took it away from the people(Jesus himself is the scapegoat and his body took away the sins of the world),
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0 # Paul 2006-06-15 16:02
Moses spent 40 years in the worlderness before he was appointed leader (Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights before he began his ministry), Moses was a shepard of sheep while in the desert(Jesus said that he was the Good Shepard who came to gather the lost sheep of Israel), Through the ROD of Moses the mighty nation of Egypt was defeated(in Revelation Jesus is depicted as having an iron rod which he shatters the nations to pieces),
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+2 # Paul 2006-06-15 16:01
Moses is the greatest testament of Jesus. HE WAS A PREFIGUREMENT OF CRISIS, A MIRROR IMAGE. Moses was the savior/redeemer of the Hebrews(Jesus was the savior/redeemer of the world), Moses was the prince of egypt who chose to leave his kingdom so he could be with his people who were slaves, so he could free them from their bondage and lead them into the promised land (Jesus is the Prince of Peace who chose to leave his heavenly kingdom, so he can be with his people who where slaves of sin, so he could free them and lead them to the promised land of heaven), when Moses was born the Pharoh ordered the death of all the first born sons of the hebrews(when Jesus was born, the king ordered the death of all the first born of Israel), Moses' mothers faith saved him(Jesus' mothers faith saved him when she ran off to EGYPT), Moses was raised by a woman by herself (Jesus had no earthly father),
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0 # Dean 2006-06-10 20:13
Here's a good website to further facilitate discussion: www.followtherabbi.org I've been to Israel and Turkey with this tour- its deeply immersed in Scripture, and the intertwining of the Tanach and the Christian Scriptures. Shalo m
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+2 # melissa 2006-06-06 13:44
Mordechai, I have to agree with Melvina. I don't think any of this clear evidence will convince you because you had already made up your mind not to believe before you even got here, and your presence here is nothing but a ruse. You are not here because you are seaking the truth, you are here soley to argue and cause confusion (which in and of itself is prophetic. How does it feel to be a toy of the devil?). There will come a day when you WILL remember these conversations, and you will wish with all your hard heart that you had listened. because when the day comes, and you are forced to bow before Jesus the messiah, it will be too late to choose. And you can attempt to explain to Him why you rejected Him. It is very obvious, by what you have written, that you have absolutely no understanding of prophecy (Old or New testiment).
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0 # Brianroy 2006-06-06 05:06
The establishment of Yeshua as a king is highly relevant, as the examples given us by Josephus shows Jesus fulfilled being a king according to biblical prophecy in real history. The very word Shiloh in Gematriac analysis is interconnected to the words Shalom, Selah, and Sabbath; and shows the right of "priesthood". Prior to the Law of Moses, and the stay in Egypt under Hyksos rule, who was and was not allowed to sacrifice? Where does it say only Levi, and not Reuben (the first born)or Judah was allowed to sacrifice in Genesis 49? It is like saying circumcision and Shabbat keeping alone saves, but what about the hill of foreskins prior to Jericho (Joshua 5:1-3), after entering the Land of Promise by HASHEM's miracles, or the bearing of arms and the ark on Shabbat (Joshua 6:3-4)?
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-05-31 22:09
Brianroy: Whomever the non-Jewish Roman authorities claimed to be king has no relevance in Judaism. You'll notice that there were many non-kohanim who bought the role of High Priest during the Second Temple, but no Jew ever thought they were actually kohanim, nor did they actually inherit the title. Also, the Romans were mocking Jesus the whole time. It would only make sense for them to continue until his death. Al: The verse did not speak of Adam's seed because Adam was not directly involved with the snake. G-D was dealing with each perp based on their role, and since the snake had tempted her, there would therefore be enmity betwixt their (her and the snake's) seed. It's not to say she can have seed without him.
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+2 # Gina 2006-05-23 13:32
(Continued...) Don' t get me wrong...I'm certainly not saying let's all just jump to conclusions that the Bible is bunk, but let's at least be willing to be wrong about our theology (again, in whole or part) so that we can know truth...not just because someone has taught our theology to us over our lifetimes, but because we have searched it out for ourselves with an open heart and earnest prayer. As I often tell others, "You can kmow you are right until you are willing to be wrong." You have to accept the challenge, leaving behind all preconceptions, and seek out truth. We all know that we will seek Him and find Him if we seek Him will all our heart.
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+4 # Gina 2006-05-23 13:31
(Continued...) As for me, I have been "born-again" for 25 years and, although I have been to an intensive Bible Institute as well as a Christian college, I now find myself asking many of the same questions as Mordecai. The age of information has allowed us the opportunity to push past the limits of our "blind faith" and put it to the test. If all that we have been taught is true, then it will pass through the fire, refined as pure gold. However, if what we have been taught (in whole or part) is not true, then let's allow it to become chaff and blow away.
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+3 # Gina 2006-05-23 13:30
First I must say that I greatly appreciate Mordecai. He brings up very good questions that certainly challenge the Christian to go beyond trusting in what they have been taught and search out evidence for themselves. A challenge to dig deep into the Word will always have a positive end!
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0 # Al 2006-05-20 12:22
Mordechai the following URL contains more than enough Messianic prophecies and how they are fullfilled and will be fullfilled by Jesus. http://www.messiahrevealed.org/category-index.html In Genesis 3:15, note the word zera' is used twice, once for the seed of the serpent, and once for the seed of the woman. Both you and I know in Judaism, the lineage is traced through the father, which is where your perspective is coming from. Why did God, then not speak of Adam's seed?
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+2 # Lisa 2006-04-22 22:37
Thank you, Nati. That's all that matters. Jesus also saved my life. I was raised Jewish, and am still very proud of my Jewish heritage. It took me a while to believe. I read the book "The Case for Christ", which helped me come to terms with many issues. I still had a few doubts, but when I prayed and asked God to reveal the Truth to me, He did. There are no definite answers. And truthfully, the NT states that you must believe and have faith and THEN you will see. Nothing else matters other than I know what Jesus has done for my life. He died so I can have God's forgiveness and love all the time. He died so I no longer have to live in my sinful self. I am truly blessed by Him.
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+1 # Brianroy 2006-04-19 08:48
Jesus was recognized by the acting Roman civil authority as a king. Thereby His status is "officially" recognized by Rome's representative that Jesus is the rightful "king of Judea", or its first in line heir thereto. This was accomplished in the public act of Pontius Pilate's written proclamation upon the Cross in 3 languages. By doing this, Jesus makes the deadline of the prophecy of Genesis 49:10, being a de facto living "king" for about 6 hours. Shiloh refers to two principals: the gate of Shiloach (Living Waters) to which He was cast out(into the Kidron / Hinom, south of the Temple); and the division of Shiloh as "Shay" - "lah", the burnt or guilt offering gift of sacrifice. Shalom.
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+2 # Nati 2006-04-16 21:18
Jesus is LORD.. he is risen, He is alive. He saved me..without Him I would have been clinically depressed or dead. Thank you Jesus... I love you!!!
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0 # Nicholas 2006-04-10 12:49
Mordechai: I understand and expect your disagreement as written in the Scriptures(2corinthi ans 3:14-15,Isaiah 53:1,John 12:38,Matthew 13:13-15,Mark 4:11-12,Acts 28:25-28).Yes,Jesus is THE King(Isaiah 9:6-7,Matthew 1:22-23,2:2, John 1:49,18:33-37,1Timot hy:13-16,Revelation 17:14,19:16).Also (Isaiah 44:6,Revelation 1:11,17).Now as for (Numbers 24:17),Jesus will do this upon his triumphant return to earth (Zechariah 14).Remember the name JESUS is translated JEHOVAH IS SALVATION.(Isaiah 43:11,Hosea 13:4,Jude 1:25,Titus 2:13,3:4-7,Luke 2:11,Acts 4:12,2Peter 3:18)
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+1 # Brianroy 2006-03-30 13:40
In regards to Jesus (Yeshua) being the step-son of Joseph: the book of days in A.D. 30 Jerusalem recorded Jesus as having a blank entry where the name of his father Joseph should have gone (Tosefta 3.3; Babyonian Talmud 4.49a). No father was then listed in conjunction with Mary's name, whose ancestry Luke records from Corinth of Achaia in his Gospel, written in ca. A.D. 50; some 20 years following the Passion of Jesus. As for Joseph, he is slated by the prophet Jeremiah to be the watcher over the coming YHVeH Messiah of Lam. 4:20, Jer. 17:13: "O eretz, eretz, eretz! Hear and listen well, and obey the word of YHVeH! This, is what YHVeH commands: inscribe (in you)this man as a watcher of the irrigation water that slakes the thirst; the Mistress [i.e. virgin Isa. 7:14] shall not push forth in the heat of his [Jeconiah's] days." Jer. 22;29, trans mine.
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+1 # Mordechai 2012-11-15 16:43
Quoting Brianroy:
...the book of days in A.D. 30 Jerusalem recorded Jesus as having a blank entry where the name of his father Joseph should have gone (Tosefta 3.3; Babyonian Talmud 4.49a)...As for Joseph, he is slated by the prophet Jeremiah to be the watcher over the coming YHVeH Messiah of Lam. 4:20, Jer. 17:13...

Brianroy, your source is non-existent. You say Tosefta 3:3, but fail to give a tractate. You say Babylonian Talmud 4:49a, but fail to give a tractate AND you fail to realize that 4.49a does not exist in the Talmud. Maybe you have a typo or two in your comment, but there is absolutely no legitimate source for any of the claims you have set forth.
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-03-02 11:26
Nicholas, I disagree with you on every point you have made here. The short reasons are as follows: -Gen 3 is not prophetic at all -Isaac was Abraham’s promised son -Gen 12:3, 18:18, Isa. 9:7, and Song 7:13 are irrelevant to this discussion -Gen 17:19 clearly points to Isaac -Gen 28:14 speaks of many offspring, not just one person -Num 24:17: The star from Jacob shall pierce Moab and undermine Seth. Did Jesus do this? -Gen 49:10 shows that kingship should remain in Judah. Was Jesus a king? -Isa. 11:1-5 doesn’t speak of Jesus conclusively, or even at all. Rich, the moderator here, would prefer I do not post so often on this section of the site, so I invite you to e-mail me with your responses and concerns at , and mention this site so I don't delete your message along with the junk I get. I'm looking forward to hearing from you, Nicholas.
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+1 # Nicholas 2006-02-25 18:48
Mordechai: here are but a few prohecies and the fulfillment of those prophecies by the Messiah Jesus: [prophecy-Ge nesis 3:15 would be the "seed of a woman". fulfillment-Galatian s 4:4,Luke 2:7,Revelation 12:5][prophecy-Genes is 18:18,12:3 promised seed of Abraham. fulfillment-Acts 3:25,Matthew 1:1,Luke 3:34][prophecy-Genes is 17:19 promised seed of Isaac.fulfillment-Ma tthew 1:2,Luke 3:34][prophecy-Numbe rs 24:17,Genesis 28:14 promised seed of Jacob.fulfillment-Lu ke 3:34,Matthew 1:2][prophecy-Genesi s 49:10 will decend from the tribe of Judah.fulfillment-Lu ke 3:33,Matthew 1:2,3][prophecy-Isai ah 9:7,11:1-5,song of Solomon 7:13 the heir to the throne of David.fulfillment-Ma tthew 1:1,1:6
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-11 # Jason 2006-02-24 06:17
To Keb's unanswered question of 27 Dec. 2005: There is another witness of Jesus Christ. It is called The Book of Mormon, written by prophets sent from Jerusalem to the American continent and covering the period of about 2000 BC to 400 AD, edited and compiled by a prophet named Mormon (hence the book's name). Like the Bible, it chronicles prophecies of Christ's coming and records his visit to the American continent after his resurrection. Having been written by different peoples on different continents who didn't know the others existed, the Bible and The Book of Mormon together provide stronger witness of Christ's divinity than either could alone. I have read them both and I believe them both. If you are looking for another witness of Jesus, read The Book of Mormon and then decide for yourself.
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+2 # Richard Woerner 2013-02-25 03:53
Really...Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. - And wasn't Joseph a swindler, something to do with some bogus miracle wheat. That didn't work out so well for him, so he found some golden plates in upstate NY, that mysteriously disappeared, stuck his face in a hat and spoke words to his wife that she recorded in the book that you speak of. And we are to believe that it is a "better" witness for Christ. Let's see, 2Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. - We do not "another" witness because there isn't another. Wow, the Bible is all we need, the Mormons ARE NOT BIBLICAL BELIEVERS as mentioned in the Bible we read and study and would die for. Joesph Smith was a cheat, liar, and created a false relgion that has decived many into a false gospel that will be destroyed along with all the works of the devil.
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+1 # Josh 2006-02-16 07:25
Kelley, are you taking advice on religion from someone who doesn't practice religion himself? Would Jesus asking God to forgive his killers prove he is not on the same level as God and therefore disprove the whole trinity thing?
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0 # Joseph 2012-10-06 05:57
You threw a wrench in my theology with that comment. lol
Very provoking thought.
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0 # Leah 2006-02-08 10:20
its pretty convincing
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+1 # kelley 2006-01-29 21:00
Dear seekers, I love to read the beliefs of all religions. I was raised as a Christian, but the most fascinating information I have ever read about Jesus comes from a Yogi named Paramahansa Yoganada; "The Autobiograhy of a Yogi", "Man's Eternal Quest", "The Divine Romance". This Yogi does not recommend one religion over another, but is interested in our quest and connection with God. Jesus, who had such faith and love that he could ask God to forgive his murderers while he was on the cross was filled with divine, unconditional love. "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
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+2 # Mordechai 2006-01-25 10:40
Malvina: If you'd have paid attention, when I repeat a question, it is because they have not satisfactorily answered it, and I'm reminding them to do so. You'll notice Nicholas never said what penalty he was talking about or where the Torah condones human sacrifice. Followers of Jesus are not stupid; merely misled. Otherwise, you could say "If Mohammed is not G-D's prophet, then millions of people world-wide are stupid".
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0 # Malvina 2006-01-24 19:18
Mordechai, After reading your "back & forth"s with Nicholas and others, I noticed that you repeat same questions all the time. So I came to realization that you don't want to learn, you only want to argue. Understanding God only comes from the heart and not the head. If Jesus is not the Messiah, then majority of world population who are believers are stupid. I do want to tell you that a lot of people are praying for you, and I will be praying for you too. May God bless you.
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-01-15 11:56
Acts 1:10, 11 doesn't prove anything. First, who were the two robed men? We are to learn that Jesus will return because two random robe-bearing loons said so? Second, Was that before or after he was killed on the cross? If that was before, how do we reconcile his dying on the cross with the event mentioned here? If after, wasn't THAT his "second coming", so you are really waiting for his third? Third, If you are trying to prove Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, shouldn't you prove it from the Jewish Torah and not the Christian bible?
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0 # luke 2013-02-06 14:48
When Jesus died on the cross He never left the earth. He was separated from His Holy Father. He was fully human and fully God. That is never an easy concept to grasp. That being said how would we be able to ever accept a messiah? We can't understand the greatness and depth of God. Good luck trying to do that. John 1:1 is the revelation. Back to the point of your so called 3rd coming, it wasn't until he rose on a cloud, after his resurrection, that He left for the first time meaning the next time will be the 2nd.
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-01-12 12:59
Anyone who wants to can find fault?? What of objective reasoning? People could say what they want, but if it lacks credibility, it doesn't stand. If someone were to claim, for example, through misquotes or whatever, that Jesus was actually a tuba, he would have to bring sufficient evidence or retract his statement. So, too, here; If you want to prove Jesus is the messiah, you must provide proper texts that say so. Merely saying he is and not addressing the questions is not a reasonable approach to identifying the truth.
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0 # Nicholas 2006-01-11 18:39
Mordechai: remember, its not I that feels this way, but enemies of GOD looking to find fault in anything we claim is of the one true GOD. 1 example true story,is Isaiah 14:12, one day a man told me this Scripture was talking about the Messiah!, so as to say GOD's Messiah is supposed to be Lucifer! BLASPHEMY! if I ever heard it! totally mistranslated as a contradiction to other Scripture concerning Messiah. He was confindent though that he was correct. My point was and is, anyone who wants to, can find fault and/or contradictions in anything they read, write or hear. He would not hear of any other meaning the Scripture had but what he believed it meant. Mordechai, my prayer is "Father GOD open Mordechai's eyes so he may see, and open up his ears so he may hear your truth and be saved! in Jesus(Messiah's)name amen". Goodbye.
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0 # Nicholas 2006-01-11 18:15
Mordechai: Have you read the Scripture "He is despised and rejected of men;a man of sorrows,and acquainted with grief:and we hid as it were our faces from him;he was despised, and we esteemed him not" Isaiah 53:3.This Scripture is speaking about the Messiah. This fits Jesus's end ministry like a glove!I believe Jesus(Messiah) spoke those words to fulfill Psalm 22 verse 1 Scripture, the human side of Messiah had to feel that way and speak those words.
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+4 # Mordechai 2006-01-11 11:03
Nicholas: You said, "The 1st time Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures concerning the sacrifice needed to pay the penalty intended for mankind, only Messiah can accomplish this task". What penalty? And who said the Torah condones human sacrifice? I can't think of a single place where the Torah allows such abominations, so the burden of proof is upon you to show me the source. Meanwhile, tell me what Jesus fulfilled? After all, if you say he fulfilled "many" of the requirements of the messiah, there must be a nice list considering what he didn't fulfill. What is the point of tracing the line of Joseph (read the text) if he was not Jesus' father? "Thank the Lord they had faith". I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this line. Please explain. Concerning the "NT", refer back to my post from 7 Jan: G-D no longer rested on people to the extent they could add books to the Torah.
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0 # Nicholas 2006-01-11 06:41
Mordechai: Check Acts of the Apostles chapter 1 verses 10 and 11. The same way you and I believe Torah is GOD's word, I also believe the NT is GOD's word. In the book of Matthew chapter 1 it traces the line of king David starting from Abraham to Jesus the Messiah. GOD spoke to Abraham according to whom? According to Abraham alone. NOONE else heard GOD, so everyone else besides Abraham had a right to disbelieve Abraham and say "we dont believe you, you say GOD spoke to you, bah! where is your proof, we wont go unless you show us proof right now and not later". Thank the Lord they had faith! The way I believe GOD speaks to me today is through his written Scriptures including the NT. I believe the NT is telling us to DO many things too like believe Jesus is the Messiah, so Im not just going to have faith, im going to take action by believing and living my life accordingly.
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0 # Nicholas 2006-01-11 06:20
Mordechai: Every bit of Scripture you mentioned is exactly what I was speaking of. All of it pertains to Messiah's 2nd return.Upon his 2nd return GOD will fulfill his Word and brind those Scriptures to pass, I can't wait! it is going to be wonderful!The 1st time Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures concerning the sacrifice needed to pay the penalty intended for mankind, only Messiah can accomplish this task. For example "He(Messiah) was WOUNDED for our(humanity) iniquities, BRUISED for our transgressions, and by His stripes we are healed" Praise GOD!that is Torah Scripture about the Messiah, and indeed Jesus endured those things.
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+3 # Mordechai 2006-01-09 14:04
David: You asked, "wouldn't you expect that human nature to question the intentions while going through the pain?" Yes, if one is not too sure G-D exists or has always been a heretic or blasphemer. But a G-D-fearing, holy individual? Take Rabbi Akiva for instance: His skin was combed off his body by red-hot iron rakes. A cruel punishment, wouldn't you say? So what did the holy Rabbi Akiva do in the face of such anguish? Did he ask why he's being forsaken? No. He said Sh'ma and passed on to his Eternal Reward. By the way, a better example of a statement of pain and anguish would be, "Wow, that is severe pain and anguish I am currently experiencing!" Asking why one is being forsaken does not fall under said category.
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+2 # Mordechai 2006-01-07 19:57
Correct: The case is definitely not that the Jews blasphemed. Rather, King David wrote throughout the entire Psalm that G-D was the only one who would rescue him from his trouble since he can't face it on his own. Compare to Jesus, who did no such thing, except for saying the first clause of verse 2. Are you telling me that G-D gave a qualification for the messiah, then retracted it because the time-frame for that particular condition had passed? Do you realize how odd that sounds? When was it, whatever you think "it" was, retracted, I ask you? Would you mind providing an example of a contradiction in the Torah?
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+1 # Mordechai 2006-01-07 19:20
Nicholas: Aside from arriving to Jerusalem on a donkey, which wasn't uncommon in his day, what did Jesus accomplish for him to be considered the messiah? Did he gather ALL the Jews from exile (Isaiah 11:12)? Did he bring about worldwide peace (Micah 4:3)? Did he get All Jews everywhere to observe G-D's commandments (Ezekiel 37:24)? Did he get all mankind to prostrate themselves to G-D (Isaiah 66:23)? Was he a descendant of David and Solomon on his father's side? Where is there talk of a "second coming"? Abraham may not have had the "solid proof" we need nowadays, but he did indeed speak to G-D, and G-D actually told him to do a number of things, and he actually did them. So he didn't just have faith; he also did actions. That's how he pleased G-D. The "NT" was written after the Torah was sealed and after prophecy was removed from humanity (just after Malachi), so anything written from then and on has no prophecy backing it.
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+2 # David 2006-01-07 12:49
Mordechai: Here is a modern day analogy to your question. Say you have a tumor and you know that you have to have surgery to have it removed. You know there will be pain involved with the surgery. After the surgery you have extreme pain, while in that pain I am sure you would ask yourself why you went through the surgery if it involved that much pain, but you would remember the tumor was removed. Could it not also be with Jesus? If He was the Son of God and God had to leave Him to His human nature when He died, wouldn't you expect that human nature to question the intentions while going through the pain? This is not blaspheme, it is a statement of pain and anguish.
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+2 # Nicholas 2006-01-06 18:10
Mordechai: The very 1st verse of psalm 22 is "My GOD, my GOD why hast thou forsaken me? why are you so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?" you said commentators are saying that psalm 22 is refering to Jewish people as a whole. Then according to you the Jewish people have Blasphemed! because this is their cry to GOD.Of course you and I know for a solid fact, that is NOT the case with this psalm. Also many references to the Messaiah are scattered about scripture, some scripture only applied to that day and time while other scripture in the same books and chapters refered to the Messiah, this might be the case in psalm 22.
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+2 # Nicholas 2006-01-06 17:50
Mordechai: Actually Jesus did fill the MANY requirements to be the Messiah, just not ALL (not yet, the remainder of those are reserved for his 2nd triumphant return to earth.)They was hoping it would happen all at once and so they became anything but accepting of our Saviour's claims. You must also understand that what is impossible with man is possible with GOD. If the Holy Spirit rested on people to inspire them to write down GOD's word (Torah), then the Holy Spirit can also rest on multiple people to inspire them to write the NT.Many enemies of GOD have pointed out supposed contradictions in the Torah as well, I would also be more than happy to provide examples upon request. However we all know that anything written or said can be twisted or mistranslated. Abraham did not have the Torah, so how did he please GOD? by FAITH,not solid proof, he believed even when there was NO solid proof.
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+2 # Mordechai 2006-01-01 12:08
Daniel: If he was "totally aware" that G-D had to turn away, what was Jesus' question? Why would he ask a question he already knew the answer to?
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-1 # Jeanne 2012-08-22 05:01
Quoting Mordechai:
Daniel: If he was "totally aware" that G-D had to turn away, what was Jesus' question? Why would he ask a question he already knew the answer to?

Some of the most profoundly mysterious words of the bible. In some sense Jesus had to be cut off from the favor and fellowship with the father that been his eternally, because he was bearing the sins of his people and therefore enduring God's wrath. And Jesus also had in his mind as well Psalm 22:1 which moves on to a cry of victory. And he expresses faith calling "God my God" Surely he knows why he is dying for this was the purpose of him to coming to this earth. Understanding this, quotes Jesus' words to challenge his readers.
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+1 # David 2005-12-29 15:39
Mordechai - You stated "Let's take a look at Matthew 27:46, where Jesus yells "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" It sounds more like a blapheme to me." For Jesus to truely have died for the sins of man, God had to give Him a sinners death, and in doing that, God had to forsake Jesus before He died. Since Jesus was filled with the Spirit of God during His baptism from John the Baptist in the river Jordan (Luke 3:22), He was totally aware of God having to turn away at His death. Hope that clears that up. God bless you!
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+2 # Keb 2005-12-27 22:41
So we have the record of the New Testament, and prophecies of the Old Testament. Both signifying Christ as the Messiah. Many wonder if the Bible is right and someone mentioned where there was evidence from an independent source. So what if there is another source-another testament of Christ? Would it be worth looking into? Are not two witnesses stronger than one?
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+1 # Mordechai 2005-12-21 12:34
Melanie: The Jews did not accept him as the messiah mainly because he didn't fulfill the many requirements to be the messiah. Jade: You must first realize that the Jews' written Torah is far different than the Christians' "New Testament". The Torah is as authoritative as any source, even more so, because it was all written with the Spirit of G-D resting on the writer (or, in the case of the first five books, G-D Himself). The "NT", as you said, was written by different people, way after he died. Therefore, and you'll notice this if you read the "NT", there are contradictions within the text itself. I'll be happy to provide examples upon request. Melanie: Maybe if there was undeniable proof would you be able to offer it. There is proof that he is was not the messiah, and no proof that he was.
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+3 # Jeanne 2012-08-22 04:50
There are no contradictions as put forth by so many. People tend to take scripture out of context. Yes the New Testament was written by many different men at different times and places. Out of the 66 books of the bible look how nicely it all fits together. The words were God inspired. There is much evidence of the New Testament even more so than the Old Testament of artifacts that have been found. Check it out online what has been found. Everyone wants proof. My attitude on the subject is. The Bible, Jesus or God need not be defended. When Jesus gave proof of miracles right in front of his own people they still didn't believe ...so with that said. Any proof to happen today wouldn't matter either. It's all about FAITH and knowing that Jesus died for our sins so that we could live in Heaven with him eternally. God Bless!
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0 # luke 2013-02-06 14:33
Were the Christians that wrote the New Covenant not Jews? The New Covenant is what God clearly speaks of in Jeremiah and Jesus was that covenant.
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+5 # Chuck 2005-12-14 13:34
Jesus has changed my life. If you are an atheist then what do you have to loose? I have not compromised anything to do this. Imagine the light. If you are nonmessianic then consider the prophecies. All want the concrete and the literal but how deep is the symbolism in your minds eye? Joseph Smith did not open me, Muhammed did not open me. Jesus has changed my life.
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+2 # Jade 2005-12-11 08:38
Jesus did of course exist, there is no doubt about it. But can we really trust the bible as a realiable source? The New Testament was written by different people, and different people notice different things, and some may like to exagerate(Sorry for my spelling, i'm only 13 go easy on me!)I've also come to believe this was written after Jesus's death, the writers may have forgotten thing therefore they added things in. Sadly I cannot believe the whole bible, I can believe some parts, but not all. I am not saying Jesus isn't the messiah, but i'm not saying he is. Sadly I doubt we shall truly find out the truth, it's one of those unanswerable questions.
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0 # Jeanne 2012-08-22 04:44
Quoting Jade:
Jesus did of course exist, there is no doubt about it. But can we really trust the bible as a realiable source? The New Testament was written by different people, and different people notice different things, and some may like to exagerate(Sorry for my spelling, i'm only 13 go easy on me!)I've also come to believe this was written after Jesus's death, the writers may have forgotten thing therefore they added things in. Sadly I cannot believe the whole bible, I can believe some parts, but not all. I am not saying Jesus isn't the messiah, but i'm not saying he is. Sadly I doubt we shall truly find out the truth, it's one of those unanswerable questions.

Yes the bible can be trusted. There has been tons of evidence found regarding the Old Testament and also the New Testament. The Old Testament was written before Jesus was born. The New after his death inspired by God. It can't be denied. Look at the artifacts that have been found :-)
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+3 # Maidlee 2012-10-08 20:43
Yes, it was written by different authors but that doesn't mean the bible is not trustworthy. In the New Testatment, we see authors like John, Mark, Luke and Matthew describe one part of Jesus messiahship. The bible doesn't contradict itself but complement. What you don't understand in on book, the next book will go into deeper detail. The bible is very trustworthy...just ask God to help you see the truth.
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0 # sara 2013-09-30 21:11
jesus is not dead he is alive he is with god . god save jesus from death he will be coming at the end time. may allah protected us!!
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+7 # Melanie 2005-12-08 00:11
I came to this site interested to learn why many Jews did not accepted Jesus as their Messiah... Im a Christian and an intellectual (yes the two CAN go hand in hand!) and wanted to understand more about the foundation of my religion and why Jesus was rejected by His own people, the people He loved and was sent by His father to save.. I have nothing to offer anyone as "undeniable proof" All I have are my prayers, and to let you know that I will continue to pray for those who are searching, that they may find the truth. Jesus is real, He is alive, and the proof resides in the hearts of the people who accept Him. That's it. God bless.
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+2 # Mordechai 2005-12-01 18:32
Meg, Psalms 22 may refer to Jesus, but let's think about it. Many commentators say it refers to the Jewish people as a whole. After all, there were many "bulls" surrounding the Jews, such as Crusaders, Cossacks, and Nazis. Further, verse 17 might be talking of one who is starving and his ribs are visible. Not true of Jesus, but very true of the Jews in Auschwitz. Also, the end of the Psalm asks G-D to "deliver my soul from the sword" and "save me from the lion's mouth". Did Jesus ask to be saved? Let's take a look at Matthew 27:46, where Jesus yells "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" It sounds more like a blapheme to me.
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+4 # Mordechai 2005-12-01 18:24
Brian, if you look only at the first clause, you are right. G-D was telling David that Solomon would build the Temple. But HE follows that by saying he (Solomon) will reign forever. Obviously Solomon will not reign forever. The promise made is that the descendant of David who will build the 1st Temple will receive the same promise that G-D made to David, that being that G-D will establish his seed/kingdom forever. Therefore, what is meant is that any future king must come from his line, and we therefore know that the future messiah must be descendant of King David through his son Solomon.
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0 # Daniel 2005-11-30 12:01
Has anyone concidered that the bible it's self may not be entirely true? So many use quotes from the bible to support theories, yet is that not like using a book written about a serial killer to convict them. it's simply not evidence for the existance of someone, or who they were. Surely the only real evidence that could be used are completly un-biased letter/recordings/di aries written by independant sources, such as the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians?
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+4 # Maidlee 2012-10-08 20:55
How many times do you quote for authors who base their thought on theories? I believe there's always one-sideness when it comes to bible. In order for you become an atheist, you had to done some research that "prove" to you in the non-existance of God. My question to you is how do you know for a Fact that they are tell you the truth? How come you believe their "theories" on God and not on pure scripture of the bible. I want you to open bible and read the book of John. But try to read it without being bias. Remove all pre-conception you may have about the bible...and just read it. I think it will open your mind!
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0 # Daniel 2005-11-30 11:51
Im a complete atheist, but how can you deny that Jesus existed? My belief, however, is that if you use the evidence supplied on the site that proves he exist then it also proves that Jesus, in my opinion was simply a influential preacher who had a strong following, that in many ways was like a cult, challanged the Roman government - that is why he was exectuted.
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+2 # Brian 2005-11-15 00:59
Rebuttal to Josh's comment for any Jews who have not accepted Yeshua as the Messiah. The verse you quoted for the lineage of the messiah doesn't refer to the Messiah. It talks of the temple of Solomon. The verse you quoted for the Jews living in Israel is refering to the second coming of the messiah and the Jews today are being more and more gathered back to the land of Israel. The verse you quoted about the peace of the Messiah's reign is also refering to his second coming. The Christian Christ/Messiah has not yet begun his worldly reign. The Jews who saw and knew Yeshua dispised him because they rejected God, following the letter of the law but not the heart of the law. They saw his works and called them the works of Satan. Matthew 12:21-24 read on for the Messiah's rebuttal.
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+4 # S Hauge 2013-03-10 03:53
Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures is there any talk of a "second coming" of the Messiah. He comes but once. Look it up.
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0 # Rich Robinson 2013-03-11 15:55
We have an article on that -
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/5_8/firstthings
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+8 # Joel 2005-11-14 22:40
Josh, If you read Revelations carefully (I doubt you have ever read it, but are merely quoting it from an anti-Jesus site), Rev 2:9 and 3:9 say "I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." It is not anti-Semetic. It is saying that there ARE SOME who say they are Jews but are not - they are a synagogue of Satan. In other words, some will believe that they are believing the right thing, thinking that they are on the right track, but are actually in the wrong - they are denying the obvious truth and sadly, they are doing the work of Satan whose job is to mislead. Also, if you open up your heart to understand, you'll understand that Jesus' reign on earth has not started yet. He has come to herald the new order, but the end of the world will come when Satan will finally be bound for 1000 years and Jesus will reign on earth.
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0 # Richard 2005-11-09 10:48
Thankyou for this excellent website. Yeshua, Jesus of Nazareth is undoubtedly the promised Messiah. The evidence of His existence and His divinity is more than compelling in the light of the historical evidence, His fulfilment of Bible prophecy, the way that He transforms people's hearts, and the supernatural miracle working power in evidence today. There are a number of documented testimonies in my website Jesusevidence.com which also contains some exciting links to other websites verifying that He is the Messiah and the only way to salvation.
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-1 # Josh 2005-11-03 02:48
This page gives no proof that Jesus was the messiah. If Jesus was the messiah then how come he wasn't born from David through his father? (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)Why aren't all Jews living in Israel? (Isaiah 11:12) Why hasn't the world peace that was promised during the messiah's reign happened yet? (Micah 4:3) Why did the Jews who knew and saw Jesus reject him? Why is the New Testament full of antisemitic statments like Jews are a "synagogue of Satan" (Revelations 2:9, 3:9)? I urge all people Jewish or not who have a clear question on Jesus to read the verses that I have mentioned. Hopefully you will all agree that Jesus was NOT the messiah.
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-3 # Richard Woerner 2013-02-25 03:45
Josh, it appears that you lack proper hermeneutics concerning the Scriptures. Joesph is the LEGAL father of Jesus, and he is in the line of David.Is 11:12, who are the outcasts - Gentiles. Micah 4:3, start in verse 1, "In the last days." Are we there yet? Why did Jesus' people reject Him, why does anyone reject Jesus? THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE. Which in your case, that would be true. Has nothing to do with Him NOT being the Messiah. Why do people need a sign or tangable evidence to believe? Then what is faith? You seriously misquoted the Revelation verses. Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Why were they rebuked?) Rev 3:9 says the same thing, they say they are Jews, but are not. So, why did Jesus use the phrase "son of man" when He spoke of Himself in the gospel of John? Read Daniel 7:13-14. He is a liar, lunitic, or Lord, your choice.
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+5 # Meg 2005-09-21 14:50
Just read Palms22 and ask yourself, who else does this apply to? And then remind yourself that this was written over 600 years before Jesus was even born! I think thats shoking. What more do you want people? Imagine someone 600year before you were born was to write about your birth and death in full detail - wouldnt that shock you? Well thats what happened with Jesus...just read it. Meg former Atheist
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+4 # Lee 2005-09-06 12:23
I agree that expectations of the Messiah became politicized due to Roman domination, resulting in the blurring of the Messiah’s mission. Suffering can indeed confuse us this way! Yet, blessedly, God reigns---and God's ways are higher than our ways, and God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts. Therefore, in sending Jesus, God extended Himself in a spiritual mission. The faith for discovering this transcendent truth can never been based only on "concrete proof." Rather, faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Of course, there are a multitude of clues as to who Jesus really was (and is!)—many of which this site offers. Even beyond this, however, the sincere application of Jesus’ teachings will provide inner evidence that is real. Therefore, I pray that this living proof would come to dwell within each of us. I also pray that our transformed lives would hence shine brightly, as proof to the world that the Messiah has indeed arrived!
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+5 # leah 2005-08-30 17:55
To Mike: If you really seek the truth, as you say, I would recommend that you read the letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament, especially chapters 8 and 9. May God strengthen our faith!
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+3 # Lacie 2005-07-16 11:08
I have read the Psalms before but somehow each time I missed the significance of Chapter 22 until I read it in context on your website. It is as if I were seeing verses 16 and 18 for the first time. Clearly, this chapter is speaking about Jesus, the Messiah.
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+7 # michael 2005-06-25 01:58
I found by asking God to reveal the truth to me personally. I said if jesus is the messiah open my eyes. Now I have the love of yeshua living in me. Salvation has come to the gentiles to provoke the jews to jealousy, blindness in part is happend to Israel until the fulness of the gentiles be come in. And so Israel shall be saved as it is written There shall come out of si-on the deliver and shall turn away ungodliness from jacob ps14.7 Is59.20 . Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteouness. Know you that they are of faith, (the gentiles) the same are the children of Abraham. The scriprute, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, by Abraham, in thee shall all nations be blessed. By the works of the law all men be cursed, det27.26 And to thy seed not of many (seeds) but of one Christ Jesus. There is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male or female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus. And if we be Christs then we are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise. I will leave you with zach12.10 and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, read it all it can only be yeshua or the world has another 2k years to wait for? Jesus meets all the promises, who els could he be?
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+2 # Joseph 2012-10-06 05:17
I'm a gentile believer and am reevaluating my faith. Abraham kept God's commands, statutes, and laws. Not one place in the Old Testament does it EVER say that God's law was a form of bondage. Did God free Israel from slavery to put them right back into slavery? Gen 26:5, " Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." Micah 6:3-4, 3 O my people, what have I done unto thee? and wherein have I wearied thee? testify against me. 4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

God's Law is everlasting. The Law isn't slavery in the least bit.
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+4 # Phil 2012-11-09 22:35
The N.T. books Romans and Hebrews may be helpful.
Abraham did all that God commanded him but it is worth noting that Moshe's law was given around 400 yrs after Avraham. Obviously there is nothing wrong with keeping the 10 commandments etc!
The point is no one is justified before God by keeping the law (no one has ever, nor will ever, keep it perfectly, except Yeshua). People can only be made righteous in God's eyes by having faith in what God has told them (just like Avraham did...and it was credited to him as righteousness) ie. by believing in the word God gives them. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us… For God so loved the world He gave His only son.
The law (is part of God's word) is good. Truth, salvation and grace came through Jesus (God's Word).
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+2 # Mordechai 2012-11-15 19:25
If we could not follow G-D's Laws, how do you explain Deuteronomy 26:16-19 and 29:29, which show that the commandments are doable? How do you explain, if mankind is so tainted, that the Torah was given 2448 years AFTER the sin in the Garden? How do you explain G-D telling Abel that he could conquer sin (Genesis 4:7)?
We are capable of following G-D's Laws, if only we were to try. The notion that we are incapable or "slaves to sin" greatly contradicts the message in the Torah.
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+2 # Phil 2012-11-17 00:05
If we could follow God’s laws, how do you explain Deut 26:1-15 which can’t be done when there is no alter & priest? Even when there was, these commands weren't kept (Jeremiah 7:22-26, Daniel 9:11). How do you explain, if mankind is not so tainted, the flood of Noah and the tower of Babel many years before Sinai? Maybe the world was created with a ב because the תנ"ך is more than the ת?
God simply told Cain that in order to do keep from doing wrong he must rule over sin. Our heart attitude determines our actions. If Moshe & David didn’t live perfectly righteous lives how will we? Are we greater than Moshe and David? 'If only we were to try'... they didn't try?
The Tanax shows an almost unbroken record of people failing to keep God’s laws. So wouldn’t the notion that we are ‘slaves to sin’ fit well with the message of the Tanax? Of course that’s not the whole picture. What do you think the message in the Tanax is?
Perhaps email would be better?
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+1 # Mordechai 2012-11-28 19:21
In short: Check your sources. G-D wouldn’t give us so many detailed commands if we were inherently incapable of following them, and being repeatedly punished for not following them. This is mentioned in Jeremiah 7:22-26 when he says that G-D didn’t only give us sacrifices; rather, we need to obey G-D, a concept mentioned also in 1 Samuel 15:22.
The flood and tower show mankind is not tainted, for they were punished for choosing the wrong paths.
Why was Moshe called trusted in G-D’s house if he wasn’t perfectly righteous (Numbers 12:7)? How could David be called G-D’s servant (2 Samuel 7:5)? How could Daniel be called G-D’s beloved (Daniel 9:23)? Clearly the message is we can keep G-D’s laws…if we try.
I’ll e-mail you later, G-D willing.
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+1 # luke 2013-02-06 14:23
When you mentioned Jeremiah you for got to mention 31:31-34. This is the new covenant one which was previously never able to be upheld.
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+2 # david 2005-06-20 07:18
with regard to the spiritual and political sides of Jesus" Messiahship,i would like to add that the Lord Jesus(Y"shua)came to fulfil both in His first coming.His very first words "repent,for the kingdom of God is at hand",which incidentally were exactly the same words preached by John the Baptist,was no empty promise.The Messianic kingdom was very much at hand but it hinged on the first word:repent.The spiritual aspect was first;then,the political.Though many people repented,the rejection of the Lord Jesus by the priests and the elders,the powers that be,prevented Him from fulfilling the political aspect.He gave a sign,the sign of Jonah,but as the condition remained the same even after the witness of the empty tomb of the Lord Jesus after three days,Y"shua(Jesus)th e Messiah instead of ascending the throne of David,which was shut to Him,was taken up to the right hand of God the Father from where He shall return in His second coming to complete the political aspect of the Messiahship.
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-2 # Mike 2005-06-04 08:47
I am a gentile Christian who has recently been studying Judaism. I read some of the articles on Jews for Judaism and was quite shaken. The people of Israel have been God's mouthpiece through the centuries and it is hard to read of such a resounding rejection of Jesus. However, since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD I cannot see how even the most Orthodox Jew can truly live and worship God without Levitical Priests and regular animal sacrifices. Why would God establish this system and then allow it to be so completely destroyed? It is amazing to me that these things happened 40 years after the death and ressurection of Jesus. Can this be a coincidence? I truly want the truth.
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+2 # Scott 2005-05-27 15:03
I have ran into one objection to Yeshua (Jesus) being the Missiah. That at the moment has me stumped. This comes from the Jews for Judaism web sight. They claim that, "Because Joseph came through the line of Jeconiah (Mat. 1:11)he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king unpo the throne of David.(Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30)" According to 1 Chronicles 3 that seems right. The only answer I have as right now is Yeshua is not actualy through his seed, but concieved by the Holy Spirit. Now the argument back to that is then He was not of the tribe of Judah, being that "...tribal affiliation goes only through the father not the mother." Now granted that modern Jews are accounted through their mother not their father. If you have any better thoughts I would like to know. I've just started this study myself.
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+1 # Phil 2012-11-11 13:26
Hi Scott, I'm copying and pasting a portion from http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/73/ which you may find relevant:
One should also note the exception to the law which permitted inheritance through the daughter if no sons were available and she married within her tribe. The daughters of Zelophehad had petitioned Moses for a special exception, which was granted when they entered the land under Joshua.
I believe it was C.I. Scofield who first noted that the claims of Christ rely upon this peculiar exception granted to the family of Zelo-phehad in the Torah. Heli, Mary's father, apparently had no sons, and Mary married within the tribe of Judah. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, of the house and lineage of David and carrying legal title to the line, but without the blood curse of Jeconiah.
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0 # Chuck 2005-05-10 15:38
I find it psychologically fascinating that messianists can read the Neviim and collaborate prophecy with future/historic fulfillment, while the doubter confronts the that-hasn't-happened -yet problem and 2400 years of silence from יהו ;ה. Fascinating.
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+6 # Daniel 2005-05-08 20:22
its amazing after all the evidence the bible proves and this article, that people are still blinded by the truth. the bible is 100 correct when it says if the word is hid, its hid to those who are lost, whose minds the god of this world (satan) has blinded...lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine upon them...2 cor. 4:4
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+2 # Antwon 2005-05-07 12:25
If you take the time to read Isaiah53 you will see that it speak of the one who strips or brueses will heal the sins of man.One thing also to find out is that the holy torahtells us that whith out the shedding of blood theirs on remission of sin,theirfor if there is no temple yeat all man sin everyday then how are the sin jews being attoind for? most rabbis say "by good doings and praying,but we must know that thay did not make the law but God himself did and if He say that there must be shadding of blood to clean sin we must do it the way that Good tells us and not man.That why he provieded us himself our passoverlamb to be our eternal sin oferring also isaiah9 5-6 jeremiah23 5-6
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+4 # joe 2012-11-26 19:19
Was the passover lamb a sin offering? Bulls and goats were used to sacrifice for the whole nation. If it had to be a lamb, then it was a female. There is a lot of inconsistencies with types and shadows when going from OT to NT.
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+2 # Rich Robinson 2012-11-27 17:23
Some see the Passover lambs substituting for the Israelite firstborn, so their is substitution going on which is part of the sacrificial system of atonement. As to inconsistencies in types and shadows, every detail isn't meant to be pressed out as much as possible, usually the NT makes clear what *aspect* of the type is being fulfilled.
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0 # joe 2012-11-27 18:04
He waited to redeem Israel from Egypt until they were multiplied enough so He could form them as a nation. The harsher they were treated, the more they multiplied. Abraham obeyed God's commands. Abel was righteous. Noah was found righteous. The Torah was given to them when they became a nation. Exodus 16 has them obeying the Sabbath even before the Sinai occurrence. God established it at the very beginning even though there is no written command to follow it. Lastly, waiting so long for the redemption is patience on His part. Sending Jesus at the time he was sent was for??
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+2 # Rich Robinson 2012-11-28 16:12
I think you answered your own question.
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+6 # Nathan 2005-04-20 10:57
The decision that Jesus is the Messiah is a personal choice of faith, not something that can be based on solid, scientific observations. Imagine if it was concrete! We wouldn't have any freedom to choose. And what a cold religion that would be.
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+2 # Malkiel 2013-02-13 04:36
Real proof would be in the fulfillment of prophecies regarding the messianic age in addition to prophecies about the Messiah.I will believe that messiah has arrived when the third temple is rebuilt,sacrifices are brought as prescribed, nation does not war against nation, the jewish exiles have all (or at least a majority) returned home, and the entire world has acknowledges the last sentence of the Aleinu: G-d will be a king over all the earth, on that day will G-d be One and His Name will be One. (One, only one, and no other means unity rather than trinity. It also means a monotheistic theology rather than a pagan Zoroastrian dualistic theology presented in the NT with satan being a separate and opposing force rather than an angel of G-d integral to the plan of creation as is evident in OT especially book of Job.)
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0 # Rich Robinson 2013-02-14 03:19
Only assuming you accept the Orthodox ideas about the Messiah. What about the passages that also say the Messiah has to die for our sins?http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/5_8/firstthings
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-8 # Mike 2005-04-19 22:21
What absolute bunk. I came gere looking for proofs, but nothing concrete is offered!
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+17 # Vu 2012-09-21 02:34
You said you came looking for proof but the truth is in your heart, there was no proof could have changed your view. Be real, what is the one question that you have that is keeping you from believing in God? Only when you're ready to accept the possibility of defeat then ask yourself the question and seek God for an answer because one thing you don't know. God is not afraid when people are seeking for Him. Matter of fact He promised those who seeks will find, who knocks door will be opened. Those who seeks Him with all their heart, mind, and soul will find Him. It's a PROMISE that God has made. I pray that God will soften your heart so you won't fall into the same mistake the Pharisees made. Luke 20:1-8.
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+3 # Debbie 2013-05-11 01:00
I wish I could remember where I read what I am about to say but I will say it anyway. First of all I am a Jewish believer in Messiah Jesus. I was 38 at the time and Is 53 was pointed out to me by a friend. I was at a very low point in my life. I read it to her. I asked who the he and him was and she told me Jesus. Oh and she is Jewish also. I was interested. I asked lots of questions, asked my then rabbi about this and that I had not seen this in the chumash etc. He had no good answer for me. Now I will tell you what I read. If you speak to an orthodox or ultra-orthodox Jew who is looking between the Tahach and the Talmud, they will every time go for the Talmud, which is all man written, etc. In the times of Jesus, Jews were so afraid of being put out of the synagogue. People have more fear of people than they do of God and yet your rabbi does not have the power to save your soul. After you die it's too late. You will be in the eternity of your choice. Choose life!
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+1 # sherry 2013-05-26 14:25
You cannot be Jewish and believe in Jesus, you are contradicting yourself, and breaking the first commandment, you shall have no other gods besides me.
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+1 # Luisa 2013-06-13 21:35
Hello Sherry... respectfully I want to say that believing in Jesus is not violating the first commandment. Did you know that Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah "G-d"? Why would G-d allow this? What about Psalm 110:1, can there be two Lords? What about Genesis 1:1, the word for G-d there is Elohim, if you study the meaning you will see that it means a compound plurality. In Genesis 1:26 G-d also refers to himself in a plural way....remember that the Scripture says that we are created in His image and likeness, so are we a body only, don't we have a spirit and a soul, but we are still one being? Have you read Isaiah 53 and compare it to the life of Yeshua (Jesus)? Please think about this :)
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-1 # Junebug 2013-06-28 14:15
Quoting Luisa:
Hello Sherry... respectfully I want to say that believing in Jesus is not violating the first commandment. Did you know that Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah "G-d"? Why would G-d allow this? What about Psalm 110:1, can there be two Lords? What about Genesis 1:1, the word for G-d there is Elohim, if you study the meaning you will see that it means a compound plurality. In Genesis 1:26 G-d also refers to himself in a plural way....remember that the Scripture says that we are created in His image and likeness, so are we a body only, don't we have a spirit and a soul, but we are still one being? Have you read Isaiah 53 and compare it to the life of Yeshua (Jesus)? Please think about this :)

I totally agree with you, Luisa. Im doing a section of comments on the reasons Jews dont believe in Jesus, and violating the first commandment was one of them. I really like your response to this, and id really like to use it in one of my own responses if you dont mind. Thx
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+4 # Rich Robinson 2012-09-21 07:53
Mike, what would constitute proof for you?
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+7 # joe 2012-11-27 17:40
responding about types and shadows.

The OT is suppose to validate the NT. If it's the other way around then the NT can justify anything by twisting and turning the OT.
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+3 # aaron 2012-11-26 22:25
what in the world are you talking about? was the fulfillment of important credentials of the messiah as talked about in the old testament not enough for you?
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+1 # Abahu 2013-06-05 22:27
There is one VERY important credential not met: The Messiah will be the descendant of King David through Solomon. That didn't happen, though, because Mary was a virgin, according to the Christians. Adoption doesn't pass lineage, not for the Messiah or lineage, and lineage is only allowed to be passed through males.

Also, the Mitzvot stay forever (Deut. 13:1-4) and the Messiah is supposed to lead the Jews to full observance of the Torah. Ironically, Jesus worked on Shabbat (John 9:14). Anyone who tries to change the Mitzvot is supposed to be cast down as a false prophet.

Moreover, if Jesus was the Messiah, the Jews would be the first to know. That's what has happened for thousands of years, and it has to be a National Revelation. Adonai would tell us, and he seemed to not have told us Jews, the Chosen People.
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-1 # Luisa 2013-06-13 21:41
Yes, Mary was a virgin and she was a descendent to David. According to whom is the lineage only allowed to be passed through males?
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0 # Dion Sanchez 2013-07-02 23:42
First, in the Hebrew scripture there are a number of references where a person not of the same blood line was granted an inheritance. Second Solomon's line was cursed. Why focus on the one prophecy that is a little hard to see fulfillment? I have others that he alone fulfilled.
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0 # Susanna Rosen 2013-07-18 03:08
Surely Rabbi Nachman of Brelow is a good jew.

"If someone comes to my grave, gives a coin to charity, and says these ten Psalms [the Tikkun HaKlali], I will pull him out from the depths of Gehinnom!".[16] "It makes no difference what he did until that day, but from that day on, he must take upon himself not to return to his foolish ways".[17]

Isn't it a very unfair to say to the followers of Jesus who promised basically the same things, claimed the same powers that they are no longer jews. What then happened to our jewish soul? Can mere people take it upon themself to abolish our jewish soul? I think not!
Our Abba will judge us and give and take away whatever he wishes. In Him I trust until the day I die and beyond. May Hashem keep us all in his infinate mercy and judge us with a righteous judgment that only He can give.
I was born a jew and I will die a jew.
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0 # Susanna Rosen 2013-07-18 03:14
Jesus did not WORK on Shabbat, he healed people.

Addonai spent thousands of versus cursing us for not listeneing to HIM. We the "chosen people" were spit out of His mouth a lot. He was safdened time after time with our areogance and disobidience. Are you guys actually reading Thora with an open mind or are you spending too much time in talmudic studies??
Definately a poor point to make under the circumstances.
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+1 # Matt 2013-07-23 07:00
I got all this information from a book I’m reading.
LaHaye, T., & Jenkins, J. B. (1996). Tribulation Force. In T. LaHaye, Tribulation Force (pp. 396-397). Carol Stream: Tyndale House Publishers Inc.

The very first qualification of Messiah, accepted by Jewish scholars from the beginning, is that he should be born the seed of a woman, not the seed of a man like all other human beings. We know now that women do not possess “seed”. The man provides the seed for the woman’s egg. And so this must be a supernatural birth, as foretold in Isaiah 7:14—“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”
The Messiah must be born of a woman and not of a man because he must be righteous. All other humans are born of the seed of their father, and thus the sinful seed of Adam has been passed on to them. Not so with the Messiah, born of a virgin aka Marry (LaHaye & Jenkins, 1996).
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+1 # Matt 2013-07-23 07:02
Also, the Messiah must be born of an extremely rare bloodline. While he must be born of a woman, that woman must be of a bloodline that includes many of the fathers of Israel. God himself eliminated billions of people from this select bloodline so Messiah’s identify would be unmistakable. First, God eliminated two-thirds of the world’s population by choosing Abraham, who was from the line of Shem, one of Noah’s three sons. Of Abraham’s two sons, God chose only Isaac, eliminating half of Abraham’s offspring. One of the two sons of Isaac, Jacob, received the blessing but passed it on to only one of his twelve sons, Judah. That eliminated millions of other sons in Israel. The prophet Isaiah years later singled out King David as another through whom Messiah would come, predicting that he would be a “root of Jesse.” David’s father, Jesse, was a son of Judah. (LaHaye & Jenkins, 1996)
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+3 # susan green 2012-12-20 04:34
Quoting Mike:
What absolute bunk. I came gere looking for proofs, but nothing concrete is offered!

Quoting Mike:
What absolute bunk. I came gere looking for proofs, but nothing concrete is offered!

Mike the proof is before you you are choosing to deny it.
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-1 # Chris 2013-03-04 12:57
Amen. PTL!
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+3 # GLORIA 2013-01-13 12:09
Quoting Mike:
What absolute bunk. I came gere looking for proofs, but nothing concrete is offered!

ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE.
IT IS LIKE THE SAYING, IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, TRY AND TRY AGAIN.
WHOLEHEARTEDLY, ASK GOD HIMSELF... I PROMISE YOU WILL RECEIVE YOUR ANSWER.
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0 # Val Alic 2013-02-15 17:04
What do you want? Scientific proof? When we look at the historical records of people like Alexander the Great and Caligula, you don't look at science for those answers because it is history. You look for historical records that were written by primary and secondary sources. Like eyewitness accounts or biographies by the writers who did interviews with eyewitnesses. When you look at the historical evidense of Jesus, it's not through science but through historical evidense and logic. Science is in the business of bringing something from hypothesis to theory and finally Scientific law. When do you ever do that with historical figures.
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+2 # Richard Woerner 2013-02-25 04:06
T question is, what "proof" do you want, spell it out? Like ALL skeptics, they want proof, but they never tell us what tyoe of proof they want. Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. - If you want proof, READ THE WORD OF GOD.
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+1 # franta 2013-05-10 12:37
Hi. I would like to see a proof that Jesus existed, just for the start. One historical document will suffice.
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0 # Rich Robinson 2013-05-10 14:16
Check out the links here-
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/jesus/existance
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0 # rich robinson 2014-01-13 03:00
amen rich....amen brother. so true
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0 # john mgbafulu 2013-03-30 03:37
what kind of proof do you need my friend? do you want it proven in a laboratory? i am sorry no such proof can be given to you. do not behave like the pharisees who asked for a sign for them to believe. note the answer the Master gave them. pls., accept Jesus.
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+1 # Bradley Miller 2013-05-23 16:05
Daniel's 70 Weeks: Daniel chapter 9
From the time King Cyrus issued the decree to rebuild the streets and walls of Jerusalem to the Messiah being executed is 483 years (69 weeks of years of 360 day years).
Do the math and you come to Passover the year Jesus was crucified.
The prophet Isaiah (chapter 45) even wrote King Cyrus a letter from God saying Cyrus will order the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The British Museum has the clay tablet with the command.
So if the Messiah is not Jesus, then which man born in Bethlehem then crucified at Passover in 30-33AD in Jerusalem was it? According to Daniel, the Messiah had to have come and be executed 483 years after Cyrus' decree (roughly 30-33AD).
I do not think G-d could have been any more clearer and exact as to the timing of the First Advent of Messiah. No wonder Jesus overlooked Jerusalem and wept.
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+2 # Dion Sanchez 2013-07-02 23:37
1. Jesus brought those who lived in darkness the Gentiles to God. No other Jew has done that.
2. Jesus brought peace between humans and God.
3. Jesus came to the temple fullfilling Malachi 3. Messiah had to come before 70 CE because that is when the temple Malachi was talking about was destroyed. Hence, the choices are narrowed to whom the messiah could be.
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+2 # DON FRISBIE 2013-07-11 14:48
concrete?? how come the jews to this day (after paying the guards of Jesus tomb) still believe that His disciples came and stold His body at night??? why, did they hate Him, when all He did was feed the hungry, heal the sick, etc. I pray that the grace of God will open the jewish hearts, and realize, it was Him in whom they have pierced, and repent and believe that He was the very messiah they had looked for all those centuries.
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